Fear and loathing in Las Vegas

[smallStops]

LOL. So basicly you're saying that we can't have an opinion unless we know a person or have persoannly met with people who are doing any investigations? Well, that would certainly fit with the ideology of the PC speech anf thought police. There are multiple sources to find whatever one wants on Soros. He's an unapologetic radical leftist. The only positive thing I can say about the guy is he makes no attempt to hide his contempt for a civil society. You have to respect an enemy that just comes straight at you.

Ok THANK YOU for RECOGNISING that you have never met him , have never discussed with him and are relying on third party input!!!! Why is it so damn hard for people to acknowledge that.
Now, if the third parties were his friends, I would guess the FEELINGS coul be less negative, right?

Now, based on what sources ( link), you come to the conclusions that he has contempt for civil society?

 

[gwb-trading]

I actually had a debate with one poster about some links put on Soros.
I was trying to really check how true all of these were and it came down to again FEELINGS.
If you have posts on these barriers being lifted from dictatorial leadership places, these would be very interesting. I am not sure, but it seems that Soros funds try not to go and fund dictatorships. But may be I am wrong on that one.

I stated that Soros funded movements to keep dictatorial leaders in check and open their societies ("vibrant and tolerant democracies") via his Open Society Foundations. (More info). Of course many of the countries & leaders who are targets of his NGO efforts have very negative things to say about his OSF efforts. Note I never stated that Soros funds dictatorships (trying to understand your second to last sentence above).

The problem for many in the U.S. is that Soros started funding organizations in our country which promote violence on our streets (e.g. BLM, etc.) and very one-siding political organizations (Move-On). While people of different sides of the political spectrum have diverse views on the Soros funding of Move-On and left-leaning political organization. The real problem is a wide group of Americans have problems with Soros funding organizations that promote actively attacking police officers and looting/rioting in the streets. Due to this an increasing number of Americans have a negative view of Soros.

 

[smallStops]

I misunderstood regarding Soros supporting and funding dictatorships. I did well to check that I understood well.

So now the issue is about what type of organizations Soros funds in the USA.
In some EU countries, it was documented that some organizations were "infiltrated" by people with the sole role of discrediting these organizations by creating violence, looting shops, etc.
My question is thus : did anybody investigated to find out if the people instigating these violences and lootings were pawns used to discredit these organisations?
I need to find some videos that explain how this has been revealed in some countries.

 

[Tony Stark]

I am finding that many on P&R forum have grievances against Soros.
Personally, I had only heard of him because of his mega win on Cable.
Can you really let us know :
1) do you know him? if so how?
2) have you ever met him ? have you ever discussed with him face to face?
if so, what impression did you have of him when meeting him in person?
3) if you have never met him face to face, who do you rely on to make your opinion of him?
do you rely on his own statements, third party statements?
4) as there seem to be grievancies against him, if you rely on third parties statements:
- what do you know about these third parties?
- what is their agenda and real motivation?
- have they met Soros face to face, in what circumstances ?
- what do they have to gain when slandering (?) Soros : fame? feeling good to tear down someone?
what is it they are really getting?
- what have these people done and achieved in their own lives?
- have these people concretely helped others?

I am all for finding out about Soros, as well as those who seem to be on a vendetta against him.

Soros helps democrats win elections thus they hate him

 

[gwb-trading]

I misunderstood regarding Soros supporting and funding dictatorships. I did well to check that I understood well.

So now the issue is about what type of organizations Soros funds in the USA.
In some EU countries, it was documented that some organizations were "infiltrated" by people with the sole role of discrediting these organizations by creating violence, looting shops, etc.
My question is thus : did anybody investigated to find out if the people instigating these violences and lootings were pawns used to discredit these organisations?
I need to find some videos that explain how this has been revealed in some countries.

Funding an organization where the marchers are blocking the roads shouting "Kill the pigs" -- is not a matter where the organization was "infiltrated by people with the sole role of discrediting these organizations" or "instigated by pawns to perform violence and looting" - it is an example of an organization where 100% of the people support the killing of police officers. Soros has no excuse for funding this organization.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Ok THANK YOU for RECOGNISING that you have never met him , have never discussed with him and are relying on third party input!!!! Why is it so damn hard for people to acknowledge that.
Now, if the third parties were his friends, I would guess the FEELINGS coul be less negative, right?

Now, based on what sources ( link), you come to the conclusions that he has contempt for civil society?

Are we supposed to be enlightened by your astute observation? Of course nearly all opinions of the average person are based upon third party observations, and equally true that of those third parties are friendly with those being evaluated the opinions would be less negative. Can I find more favorable opinions of Georgie boy? Of course. My opinions are based upon listening to him in interviews, and by the actions of the groups he funds. He likes pulling strings. He loves the power. Believes himself to be a master manipulator, and he is to the degree that the poorly educated and afraid are easy enough to manipulate. He'll never sully his hands with actually doing the dirty work, but he does love to watch it all burn with no guilt because he's not actually lighting the match. He fits the description of a sociopath.

Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

For what it's worth both Clinton and Trump fall very near this category, but not to the degree of a true sociopath like Soros.

 

[smallStops]

this is the clearest video I have been able to find.
There was a national demonstration for some retirement benefits: the governement wanted to lower the retirees benefits and increase the retirement age. Obviously some people were not happy, and the demonstrations were starting to get bigger. Those who matter did not like that the demonstrations were starting to attract interests.
Then there were lootings, etc and due to the violence, these manifestations attracted a lot of negativity and were stopped.

Then 6 years later, as new mass demonstrations are starting because of changes in employment laws, the same tactics were used, but this time demonstrators understood what happened and went back to analyse the "retirees demonstration".

Watch from 0:24 , one guy is damaging some businesses
then an old person who is part of the retirees demonstrators tries to stop the vandalism.
Watch what happened to him.
Then watch how people dressed like the guy damaging the business make sure to prevent
the crowd of real demonstrators from helping the old guy.
The questions one politician asked were :
* who were these people doing the looting, as these were not retiree demonstrators?
* why were these people protected by the police instead of being arrested?
* IF these were police officers dressed as civilians, which politicians gave them orders
to create lootings and violence? ( at this question the politician got some serious
troubles).
* IF what he implied were true, why were methods used in the 1968 riots ( riots were
so violent that finally the then government resigned as the military refused to side
with the government against the mass revolt), methods to discredit demonstrations
that the government did not like, why are these methods used in 2016?

Basically, as long as those who loot are not ALL caught and brought to justice,
one can not know who is instigating the violence.

More likely, there were more people funding your US based demonstrations than just Soros.
And if Soros clearly funded the main demonstrations, someone else ( normally linked to your own
police as violence AND looting were involved) was funding the looters and violence instigators.
This is why it is important to ask questions.
The worst thing would be to actually be participating in a vendetta against Soros , and discovering
later on that your F-E-E-L-I-N-G-S have been manipulated.

 

[smallStops]

...
For what it's worth both Clinton and Trump fall very near this category

At least discussions on the P&R forum have some benefits: you do no longer seem as
admirative and enthusiastic about the candidates as you were few months ago, before
we all really started to discuss based on facts. Facts that we could all analyse and challenge by
checking sources.