Fake News: Muslim killed and injured people at German Christmas market

[gwb-trading]

sure, now we are getting closer to the truth. From 87% to huge majority, now we only need to check where the "many media articles" originate from. Maybe we can boil it all down to a more honest percentage that most could agree with is a reasonable estimate. I think my second post made my stance clear. I do not believe hard core Muslims fit with Western democratic principles ever. Germany opened the door to refugees and indeed a lot of economic migrants used the opportunity to slip through the door as well. BUT: its not like people can go wherever they want the second they enter Germany. Most of the arriving people are registered and tracked and have to frequently report. Their status and application is checked which can indeed take a long time. Does abuse happen? I am sure it does. Do people slip through the net? I am sure some do. Will most of the people be returned to their country once the war is over? I am pretty convinced of that.

In the end it seems to come down to 2 world views: The overall UK view: First and foremost us, let's not care about others in need, regardless of what happened to them if helping them means a burden to us. The German world view seems (and probably it originates from the "WWII Schuld") is to grant refuge to those in need even if that means it inconveniences a few and even if we have to pay a certain price.

Have too many people been let in? Probably. Should they have been more properly vetted before letting them in? Sure if it was summer and they could have conveniently camped somewhere in a safe environment, unfortunately that was not the case.

Across Europe as a whole according to media reports and studies, 60% of "refugees" are actually economic migrants. In some individual European countries the figure is as high at 87%. Here is just one of many source articles that can be found with a google search -

Six out of 10 migrants to Europe come for 'economic reasons' and are not refugees, EU Vice President Frans Timmermans says
Many of the migrants are from peaceful countries in North Africa, Frans Timmermans says
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-not-refugees-eu-vice-president-a6836306.html

More than half of all migrants to Europe are motivated by “economic reasons” and are not fleeing war or persecution, the vice-president of the European Commission has said.

Dutch politician Frans Timmermans said the majority of migrants to Europe are from North African countries such as Morocco or Tunisia, where there is no conflict.

“More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status... more than half, 60 per cent,” he told Dutch broadcaster NOS.

(More at above url)

 

[Ditch]

Across Europe as a whole according to media reports and studies, 60% of "refugees" are actually economic migrants. In some individual European countries the figure is as high at 87%. Here is just one of many source articles that can be found with a google search -

Six out of 10 migrants to Europe come for 'economic reasons' and are not refugees, EU Vice President Frans Timmermans says
Many of the migrants are from peaceful countries in North Africa, Frans Timmermans says
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-not-refugees-eu-vice-president-a6836306.html

More than half of all migrants to Europe are motivated by “economic reasons” and are not fleeing war or persecution, the vice-president of the European Commission has said.

Dutch politician Frans Timmermans said the majority of migrants to Europe are from North African countries such as Morocco or Tunisia, where there is no conflict.

“More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status... more than half, 60 per cent,” he told Dutch broadcaster NOS.

(More at above url)

60% is a very conservative estimate. 80% of migrants arrive without documents and they have their reasons for doing so.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...0-per-cent-no-documents-passport-registration

 

[MoneyMatthew]

Regardless of what label you put on these foreign Muslims entering Germany (you can call them Refugees, Invaders, Victims....whatever you want) it is clearly not working.

If you think that all Muslims are victims of evil oil hungry white christian nations then how does letting them into your country erase any of their original reasons for being angry?????

Here in the USA we have many Mexican immigrants. Some far left groups say that they have a right to be here regardless of their legal status. Some of the Mexicans have Native American roots and they feel like their land was stolen from them. With all of that being said are these Mexican immigrants causing the same levels of damage as Islamic Refugees???? The answer is NO!!!!!

We need to stop playing this stupid game with each other where we pretend that all immigrant groups are equally safe or dangerous. No Nation is perfect but Merkel's reckless policies are not making her nation a better place. Blood is directly on her hands.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

I've no problem with that either really but I've seen the same people say Europeans shouldn't criticize Trump because we don't live in the US, then turn around and talk crap about EU leaders and not see the controversy.

I think the word you're looking for is hypocrisy.

 

[Zzzz1]

Because you or your famous "journalists" stood at the border with your crystal balls or what? Laughing my ass off. How would you or anyone know unless each individual case is investigated? I don't disagree with you in concept I just disagree with your ridiculous exaggerations.

60% is a very conservative estimate. 80% of migrants arrive without documents and they have their reasons for doing so.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...0-per-cent-no-documents-passport-registration

 

[Zzzz1]

Again, another confused mind. The two issues are utterly unrelated. One deals with illegal immigrants, another with legal refugees and migrants. Please inform yourself before you join a discussion.

Regardless of what label you put on these foreign Muslims entering Germany (you can call them Refugees, Invaders, Victims....whatever you want) it is clearly not working.

If you think that all Muslims are victims of evil oil hungry white christian nations then how does letting them into your country erase any of their original reasons for being angry?????

Here in the USA we have many Mexican immigrants. Some far left groups say that they have a right to be here regardless of their legal status. Some of the Mexicans have Native American roots and they feel like their land was stolen from them. With all of that being said are these Mexican immigrants causing the same levels of damage as Islamic Refugees???? The answer is NO!!!!!

We need to stop playing this stupid game with each other where we pretend that all immigrant groups are equally safe or dangerous. No Nation is perfect but Merkel's reckless policies are not making her nation a better place. Blood is directly on her hands.

 

[Zzzz1]

This article is about migrants in general and has nothing to do with the current topic of migrants who entered through Turkey and arrived in Germany. Most of them are not from North Africa. And even if that was the case, even better. If they can be so easily identified as you claim then hey, it should be easy to then return them.

Across Europe as a whole according to media reports and studies, 60% of "refugees" are actually economic migrants. In some individual European countries the figure is as high at 87%. Here is just one of many source articles that can be found with a google search -

Six out of 10 migrants to Europe come for 'economic reasons' and are not refugees, EU Vice President Frans Timmermans says
Many of the migrants are from peaceful countries in North Africa, Frans Timmermans says
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-not-refugees-eu-vice-president-a6836306.html

More than half of all migrants to Europe are motivated by “economic reasons” and are not fleeing war or persecution, the vice-president of the European Commission has said.

Dutch politician Frans Timmermans said the majority of migrants to Europe are from North African countries such as Morocco or Tunisia, where there is no conflict.

“More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status... more than half, 60 per cent,” he told Dutch broadcaster NOS.

(More at above url)

 

[MoneyMatthew]

Again, another confused mind. The two issues are utterly unrelated. One deals with illegal immigrants, another with legal refugees and migrants. Please inform yourself before you join a discussion.

You make light of 12 people dying Zzzz1, you have no honor Zzzz1.

You actively defend and make jokes about 12 people dying in Germany. You are a piece of human garbage. I pray that you die Zzzz1. You are a useless human being.

The point dumbass is that all groups of immigrants are not equal. You told me that a Shaolin Monk in China is just a dangerous as a Muslim Refugee. ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT A MEXICAN IMMIGRANT IS EQUAL TO THAT OF AN ISLAMIC IMMIGRANT????

You are a troll Zzzz1. No one on this site likes you, my Christmas wish is that you get cancer very soon.

 

[smallStops]

You are a troll Zzzz1. No one on this site likes you, my Christmas wish is that you get cancer very soon.

Let's all wish Zzzz1 a very happy holidays and celebrations, as well as new year.
Thank you Zzzz1 for presenting a different perspective on very important actual news.

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So actually Germany was informed 25 days ago that Xmas markets would be targets.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745360/Berlin-terror-attack-Christmas-market

German officials were also warned before the mass rapes of new year, but the police officers
acted like their goal was to do nothing.

 

[Zzzz1]

Truly spoken like a Western Christian, lol. No wonder your country is so divided. And again, you perfectly make my point, your example of US illegal immigrants is totally unrelated to this issue. If you find it hard to navigate European topics I recommend to stay in the easy Clinton and Trump threads where you seemingly feel at home.

And if nobody likes me then why did I get 5 times the likes today alone that you got? Not that I care about likes, I just care about clowns who constantly twist the truth and exaggerate.

You make light of 12 people dying Zzzz1, you have no honor Zzzz1.

You actively defend and make jokes about 12 people dying in Germany. You are a piece of human garbage. I pray that you die Zzzz1. You are a useless human being.

The point dumbass is that all groups of immigrants are not equal. You told me that a Shaolin Monk in China is just a dangerous as a Muslim Refugee. ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT A MEXICAN IMMIGRANT IS EQUAL TO THAT OF AN ISLAMIC IMMIGRANT????

You are a troll Zzzz1. No one on this site likes you, my Christmas wish is that you get cancer very soon.