Economics about mass shooting

[Tsing Tao]

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/s...-used-mass-shootings-obtained-legally-n474441

I did not say all gun crime but gun massacres (reading is difficult, eh?) and it's actually 80%(!). I bet you have a long list of rebuttals now and none make any sense or are you just going to change the topic and ignore this FACT?

No, I won't argue that fact at all. What I find hilarious is your choice in pulling convenient subsets of the data to suit your narrative.

If you're going to discuss gun violence, why only a particular type of gun violence? I'll bet if we picked all "massacres" that occurred between June and September, we'd find all the shooters were male! We should make males illegal!!

Thousands of people are killed every single year due to gun violence in the United States. But lets ignore all that and just focus on shooters that are so committed, so intent on committing mass murder, that they have stock piled custom weaponry, broken all sorts of laws and are willing to die for the sole act of killing other people. These are the incidents that cannot be prevented by any law at all. Focusing on the instances that are way out of the probability scale, and then making public policy based on those is beyond foolish. It's the type of stupidity only a liberal would come up with.

Millions of people own guns legally and never commit any crimes. How many mass murderers have their been? What is the percentage of people who commit crimes when you consider the whole pot? I mean, since we're only talking about "massacres" now. LOL...

 

[Tsing Tao]

Please back up this absurd claim that 70% of gun violence is committed with guns obtained legally.

You can pour of the CDC (Center for Disease Control), they track this. Most firearm deaths, contrary to popular belief, are not in the street, they are right in the home : firearm suicides, domestic violence, & accidental shootings account for the majority yet they rarely make the 6:00 news, all we hear about are the shootouts in the inter -cities by gangs or thugs.

I have. Show me where it says that 70% of all gun violence is committed by those who legally own firearms. Link please.

Not you, d08, you've already clarified that you are referring to a convenient subset of the data which is irrelevant in the argument on guns. Let's hear how comagnum supports his claim.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Hand gun law in Washington DC (and the associated statistics when compared with the national average). That spike in the 90s, all illegally owned weapons.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Florida right to carry law becomes effective, and suddenly murder rates plummet. Coincidence? Perhaps.

Here is Texas. Murder rates were plummeting before right to carry law, but the right to carry law certainly didn't do any damage to the rate.

Michigan. Same thing.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Fatal accidents by type, 2014 latest year data available. Firearms all the way down on the right. Cars #2 from the top. Ban cars!

 

[Tsing Tao]

NON-Fatal Accidents

See firearms at the top? Me neither. It's way at the bottom, after dog bites. Ban dogs! I can do this all day long.

 

[comagnum]

Studies going back many decades have concluded in academia the same over & over - homes with guns have a much higher rate of gun related deaths. The same applies to states & nations - more guns = more gun deaths, come on this is not rocket science and where you get your cartoon quality no-name charts is amusing.

Childrens Hospital
Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/l..._of_injury_deaths_violence_2015_1050w760h.gif

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-guns-in-home-increase-suicide-homicide-risk/

https://injury.research.chop.edu/vi...-violence/gun-violence-facts-and#.Wd01IDu1thE

https://www.bradycampaign.org/risks-of-having-a-gun-in-the-home

 

[OddTrader]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america/

Apr. 15, 2015

The True Cost of Gun Violence in America
The data the NRA doesn’t want you to see.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/true-cost-of-gun-violence-in-america/

At $229 billion, the toll from gun violence would have been $47 billion more than Apple’s 2014 worldwide revenue and $88 billion more than what the US government budgeted for education that year. Divvied up among every man, woman, and child in the United States, it would work out to more than $700 per person.

But even the $229 billion figure ultimately doesn’t capture what gun violence costs us. For starters, there are gaps in what we know about long-term medical and disability expenses specifically from gunshots. ......

 

[Tsing Tao]

Studies going back many decades have concluded in academia the same over & over - homes with guns have a much higher rate of gun related deaths. The same applies to states & nations - more guns = more gun deaths, come on this is not rocket science and where you get your cartoon quality no-name charts is amusing.

Cartoon, no-name charts? Here are the sources. They are well documented and easily verifiable. Feel free to vet them if you wish, though I rather suspect you will just throw out horseshit to continue your narrative.

As for saying "Homes with guns have a much higher rate of gun related deaths", that's like saying "Households that own a car are more likely to have a family member involved in a fatal car accident, too." No shit. If there is no gun in a household, then there is likely to be no incident in the home involving a gun. Duh.

Childrens Hospital
Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.

Still doesn't change the fact that accidental shootings rank way, way below other accidents in and around the home.

As far as suicides go, do you honestly think that if someone wants to kill themselves, and you ban guns, they're going to suddenly go "you know, what? I can't find a gun to kill myself so I guess I'll just go on living."

What a joke!

 

[gwb-trading]

Studies going back many decades have concluded in academia the same over & over - homes with guns have a much higher rate of gun related deaths. The same applies to states & nations - more guns = more gun deaths, come on this is not rocket science and where you get your cartoon quality no-name charts is amusing.

Childrens Hospital
Those people that die from accidental shooting were more than three times as likely to have had a firearm in their home as those in the control group.

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/l..._of_injury_deaths_violence_2015_1050w760h.gif

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-guns-in-home-increase-suicide-homicide-risk/

https://injury.research.chop.edu/vi...-violence/gun-violence-facts-and#.Wd01IDu1thE

https://www.bradycampaign.org/risks-of-having-a-gun-in-the-home

Households with pools are more likely to have a child drown.

Households with poison substances are more likely to have a child ingest.

Households with 4 wheelers are more likely to have a child flip one.

Households with lead paint are more likely to have a child die from poisoning.