Do Markets Change?

company changes over time, so does its stock. I think US econ would change , possibly, when America becomes an 500 years old maid (at the point when she lost her life juice, and f@rted toxic gas like an old pickup truck).
 
Thanks for all of the feedback everyone to my original question. I did not think that many people would contribute.

I'm convinced it really does not change.

I've come to this conclusion because I trade the same in Natural Gas, as I trade in NQ's as I trade in currencies as I trade in Fixed income. All of this crap does the same thing over and over and over again.

All markets go from one "shake out" to the next.

They are kind of like my 1 year old daughter... she wonders around to the spot in the house that causes the most annoyance, she then wonders to the next spot in the house to do the same thing. I find that markets do the same thing over and over and over again.

Just like a market, it goes to the price level that will cause the most churn, that is what it is attracted too. Or at least this is the lens that I look through to predict where the market is about to go.

(she is really not an annoyance, just an analogy)
 
I hear this term all the time, curious what others think...If anyone cares.


Yes... Correlations change, Volatility changes, trends change, price changes etc.

In my opinion most markets simply do the same thing over and over and over again. They make the same patters over and over again. These patters are identical from one market to the next.

I look at charts from 40 years ago, they trade very similar to the way markets trade now.

So I guess another question, do markets move the same way they have always moved?

Perhaps this is a pointless post, but I am curious if others feel the same way I do, because I don't see any difference in the way markets move today vs 20 years ago.

The question is somewhat vague (no clear definition of what "change" is, or what "moving the same way" means); so my reply must also be vague.

Someone said,

“[Market] History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.”
 
You can't step into the same river twice.
Ordinarily I'd automatically hit the like button on a post like this for being so philosophically deep... but this one must be deeper than deep because I'm not hearing the tune.
But I owe ya one anyway on one thing you wrote that is so very true...
"Chops are chops.... and tone is tone". -speedo
........gold
 
Ordinarily I'd automatically hit the like button on a post like this for being so philosophically deep... but this one must be deeper than deep because I'm not hearing the tune.
But I owe ya one anyway on one thing you wrote that is so very true...
"Chops are chops.... and tone is tone". -speedo
........gold
:thumbsup:
 
Palindrome,
"Do Markets Change?"
Here is the observation I have made based on mathematical and charting analysis of market movement for the last couple of decades:
Everything you said about correlations: change regarding trend changes (up, down & sideways) and volatility is correct, they are constantly changing, even chart patterns can look similar (or different) from one year to the next.
But, here in lies the problem:
"There are so many variables and combinations within the correlations, that this in itself creates constant change in the markets."
Example:
My mathematical program looks at daily and weekly price change, volatility, age of a trend (new or old) and exhaustion of a trend. That information is interfaced into 6 different math formula's that produce 6 trade outputs.

I believe the next part helps prove that you simply cannot count on the market doing the same thing, reacting the same way, producing the same results, from one year to the next:
"Based on a couple of decades, mathematical trading system outputs that worked well last year, rarely work the following year."
"Of the 6 trading system outputs in my program, only 1 or 2 work well each year, and they are often times competely different systems from the previous year."

Conclusion:
"The change from year to year in combinations of variables within the correlations creates unique Market Personalities."

The sad part is, as a New Year begins, by the time we recognize the market has a new personality, we often time have been trading last year's trading methodology and are wondering why it isn't working as well as it did last year.


But can you show what you're talking about on a chart, from a year when the market behaves a certain standard way, to another when it doesn't?
 
I hear this term all the time, curious what others think...If anyone cares.


Yes... Correlations change, Volatility changes, trends change, price changes etc.

In my opinion most markets simply do the same thing over and over and over again. They make the same patters over and over again. These patters are identical from one market to the next.

I look at charts from 40 years ago, they trade very similar to the way markets trade now.

So I guess another question, do markets move the same way they have always moved?

Perhaps this is a pointless post, but I am curious if others feel the same way I do, because I don't see any difference in the way markets move today vs 20 years ago.


Markets are based on human emotions.

They’ve changed as much as human emotions have changed throughout millennia.
 
This thread reminds me of "weather" versus "climate."

If you are not responsive to the changes in market weather, you're going to die -- plain and simple. If you don't have multiple tools, tactics, and flexible expectations, you're going to die. If you don't keep an eye on where you're at -- telescoping out to where you've been (1 week! month! YTD and YEAR! 5yrs! 10 and 20 and more...!) -- you're a phool and you're going to blow it.

Match your positions to your weather, and know today's weather versus your climate.
Always always always.
 
I hear this term all the time, curious what others think...If anyone cares.


Yes... Correlations change, Volatility changes, trends change, price changes etc.

In my opinion most markets simply do the same thing over and over and over again. They make the same patters over and over again. These patters are identical from one market to the next.

I look at charts from 40 years ago, they trade very similar to the way markets trade now.

So I guess another question, do markets move the same way they have always moved?

Perhaps this is a pointless post, but I am curious if others feel the same way I do, because I don't see any difference in the way markets move today vs 20 years ago.


In many ways this is correct, in some it is not. For option traders and momentum traders there is an empirically repeating pattern one-week before earnings -- it's a bullish momentum pattern that even worked from 2007-2008.

My firm has a video you can watch on it -- just check out the first 2 minute, if it doesn't answer your question, the rest will no be worth your time.

 
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