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"Democracy" for sale, Russians welcome!
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There is some terribly defective logic going on here. The reason Courts should not allow large political donations to be anonymous is to protect eveyone from those who would abuse their own First Amendment rights. How did the right to speak your mind get confused with anonymity??? There is no first Amendment right to anonymity? There are situations in which anonymity has been very wisely curtailed as a protection against abuse of The First Amendment. To remove this protection by hiding behind the First Amendment is NUTS.
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the defense is that thanks to the citizens united decision, monetary donations are speech, hence someone making a donation or "speaking" should be protected from retribution.
Birth Tourism comes from a lot of countries. Airlines are not supposed to let you fly if you are pregnant past a certain month but not like they can ask and verify.
All we have to do is pass a law that says if your child was born in the U.S. and you entered within 90 days or you were on an overstay of a tourist Visa, then no citizenship benefits ensure to your child at all. Ends it right there.
Can have exceptions for work visas and student visas etc.. but my proposal ends birth Tourism and people risking their health to come her in late stage pregnancy to tag U.S. jurisdiction.
But Congress has no balls.
All we have to do is pass a law that says if your child was born in the U.S. and you entered within 90 days or you were on an overstay of a tourist Visa, then no citizenship benefits ensure to your child at all. Ends it right there.
Can have exceptions for work visas and student visas etc.. but my proposal ends birth Tourism and people risking their health to come her in late stage pregnancy to tag U.S. jurisdiction.
But Congress has no balls.
It is protected from retribution regardless. If I throw a rotten egg at you, hopefully hitting you right in the Kisser, because you said something I don't like, you are protected. I can be arrested for assault. Citizens United, as illogical and unwise as that decision was, did not, thank god, impart anonymity. Anonymity is NOT necessary for protection of our First Amendment right! In fact, there are perfectly sound reasons to forbid anonymity in some types of free expression. Outsized political contributions would certainly be one of those instances where there is sound argument for forbidding anonymity. You are not in any way prohibited in your free speech regardless of whether you give 50 bucks or 50 million to a political cause, but in the latter case you certainly must not be allowed anonymity. Allowing that is dangerous to our democracy!!!* It's arguably far worse than yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
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*The reasoning behind this is grade school simple. It would be, in effect, a violation of the one person-one vote fundamental principle underlying democracy.
You're preaching to the choir, but I believe it's the argument. After all, look at all this talk of criminalizing "cancel" culture and corporate boycotts.
You are right. The solution is as simple as passing a clear statutory law, which would then likely be adjudicated in the Supreme Court. It rather defies logic that those here on a Tourist visa or here illegally could give birth to an American citizen, unless at least one of the parents was a citizen. Nevertheless, this is a legally clouded area of Constitutional law. For example, by statutory law, those born in Puerto Rico are citizens, jus soli, (see Immigration and Nationality Act , which grants U.S. citizenship to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.) This would imply their statutory citizenship could be revoked were the statute to be changed?? Puerto Ricans are citizens; yet they can not vote in U.S. Presidential elections while residing in Puerto Rico, but can once they move to the mainland? Not one bit of any of this makes any sense. What a mess we have created. Probably the statute should be looked at as simply clarifying the 14 Amendment as to what is considered jus soli. But no we have to make the interpretation ridiculous somehow. We need a new, very clear statute!
its not congress has no balls.
1. its that they are paid to allow a million people a year in to keep down wages for those willing to work.
2. then they are also given all sorts of handouts... keeping up demand and keep prices higher.
3. Finally by having more foreign born immigrants in this country than at any other point in the last 100 years... probably history if you include illegals. they continue to dilute the vote for those who would vote against this bullshit.
4. Finally the most amazing part of all this is that we are increasing the carbon footprint of millions of people a year by bringing them here rather than helping them in their own countries.
So lets review.
Democrats care about workers and wages... bullshit.
Democrats care about global warming and carbon footprints... bullshit
Democrats are for the people and not the elites and cronies who own them.. bullshit.
Democrats want every person vote to count (of those who were born here)... bullshit.
Democrat politicians are different from establishment republicans... bullshit.
1. its that they are paid to allow a million people a year in to keep down wages for those willing to work.
2. then they are also given all sorts of handouts... keeping up demand and keep prices higher.
3. Finally by having more foreign born immigrants in this country than at any other point in the last 100 years... probably history if you include illegals. they continue to dilute the vote for those who would vote against this bullshit.
4. Finally the most amazing part of all this is that we are increasing the carbon footprint of millions of people a year by bringing them here rather than helping them in their own countries.
So lets review.
Democrats care about workers and wages... bullshit.
Democrats care about global warming and carbon footprints... bullshit
Democrats are for the people and not the elites and cronies who own them.. bullshit.
Democrats want every person vote to count (of those who were born here)... bullshit.
Democrat politicians are different from establishment republicans... bullshit.
GOP had full control of the Congress at various times in the past 30 years and did nothing about it so the GOP has the same dickless problem dumbass.
If GOP cared so much they could have changed the birth Tourism issue real easy as I suggested.
That is why Congress on both sides will not fox it...stop blaming Dems for shit GOP never had any intention of fixing either.
If GOP cared so much they could have changed the birth Tourism issue real easy as I suggested.
That is why Congress on both sides will not fox it...stop blaming Dems for shit GOP never had any intention of fixing either.
You are worried about the Russians when Tom Steyer and Mike Bloomberg has been buying votes left and right and you do not see it? The only reason Tom Steyer got 13% in South Carolina is because he went to black communities and started doling out monies left and right. It was all in the news. He fattened them up with free monies for black businesses by spending heavily in addition to the monies directly, doled out in cash to his so called community outreach. Mike Bloomberg is doing the exact same thing but, in addition, he has paid political hacks to say nice things about him and fluff him up as the champion of extreme liberals, able to leap tall buildings and fly thru the sky. Just like Superman. I am sure Mike Bloomberg will out do Tom Steyer the way Steyer doled out monies in South Carolina. Mike Bloomberg will dole out monies to the super delegates to get the votes that matter outright.