Coronavirus mortality rate now 0.6%, not 3% as first told

Time to buy up all those cheap stocks before everyone else figures it out.

Did you see the jobs/unemployment release today?

Release = 273k jobs added, 3.5% unemployment
Estimate= 175k, 3.6%

And the markets dropped despite of this.

I believe your post is correct.
 
As I've been harping in every repeat topic - the way the news outlets are calculating the fatality rate is wrong. It is NOT [deaths]/[cases], which the article linked uses to reach it's conclusion. It's [deaths]/[deaths + recoveries]. You cannot include "indeterminant" cases when doing this math. Otherwise you severely undershoot the severity by operating on the implicit assumption all incomplete cases will resolve with survival. The CDC has a vested interest in reporting the naive number in order to stop people from panicking despite this number being wildly inaccurate for an infection in-progress.

If you use the actual math and this:

South Korea
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Total deaths = 40
Total recoveries = 135

40/[135+40] = ~23% of RESOLVED cases resulting in death so far.

This overshoots deaths marginally (a better number would include more specifics about the cases that haven't resolved yet) and the sample size is too small at the moment. This number isn't that useful.

The most accurate numbers we probably have are china:

Mainland China
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Total Deaths: 3042
Total Recoveries: 53738

3042/[3042+53738] = ~5% of resolved cases resulting in deaths so far.

To note: Using the naive estimate the Spanish Flu had a naive CFR of >2.5%. Given these statistically significant samples we can be almost certain we are staring another pandemic in the face. It only depends how long before the CDC declares it and panics the world.

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Here is a paper: https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/162/5/479/82647

To Quote:

Your analysis is terribly flawed. First, as I pointed out before, it takes weeks for someone to be declared recovered -- long past the point where they no longer experience symptoms. Yet frail people will die relatively quickly within a few days. So the death rate looks worst near the beginning of the outbreak. Second, the documented cases are the tip of the iceberg. There are likely far more people infected especially in countries that do not test as aggressively as China and South Korea, but they recover on their own. Those recoveries are not counted. The best way to judge the seriousness of this virus is to look at the recovery rates for younger people which are very high:

"The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39."

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03...n-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/

We're talking about a flu.

How many people shilling for Corona to be no worse than the flu are sticking their head in the sand because they are deep in the red and are on both knees praying to the market gods that the next 3 quarters don't bankrupt them?

And how many people cheering for the beer virus are doing so because they are either short and want to profit on death and disease, will support anything that puts a Dem in the whitehouse, or simply missed one of the strongest bull markets during the last decade and want to get in at a lower price?
 
finding a vaccine for the virus is not going to help this market. There's other problems...It may recover a bit, everyone goes back in and then they drop it. I say we still have a down side of another 5000 points. You will see 20000 before you see 3000. Be careful dozu888.
 
Did you see the jobs/unemployment release today?

Release = 273k jobs added, 3.5% unemployment
Estimate= 175k, 3.6%

And the markets dropped despite of this.

I believe your post is correct.

as I posted repeatedly.... there are no bulls and bears in the market.

it's the same force aka my boys driving this thing.

right now the goal is to shake and collect chips, so news don't matter... any news can be interpreted both ways.

the market either tank on bad news or shrug off bad news lol, what the f'ck does that even mean, shrug off lol.

it's all just one big f'cking game ladies and gentle boys.

them boys collecting chips for the april earning run, so them gonna stay down here and shake as much as they can.
 
finding a vaccine for the virus is not going to help this market. There's other problems...It may recover a bit, everyone goes back in and then they drop it. I say we still have a down side of another 5000 points. You will see 20000 before you see 3000. Be careful dozu888.

This dude is right. The supply side is gonna get screwed in the US, even if nobody gets sick.

Anybody wants a carrier job?:

 
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Pretty solid 40% increase every day here in the UK, so currently on 166 and end of the month 500K, if nothing changes, ie lockdowns and that's not going to change the next 10-14days anyway as there already infected.
 
The mortality rate is not the same for all countries. Like in China Infected 81603 and died 3276. But look at Italy there infected 59138 and 5476. Source. So in Italy mortality rate is double than of China. Also Spain double than China.
 
as I posted repeatedly.... there are no bulls and bears in the market.

it's the same force aka my boys driving this thing.

right now the goal is to shake and collect chips, so news don't matter... any news can be interpreted both ways.

the market either tank on bad news or shrug off bad news lol, what the f'ck does that even mean, shrug off lol.

it's all just one big f'cking game ladies and gentle boys.

them boys collecting chips for the april earning run, so them gonna stay down here and shake as much as they can.
Unfortunately too many people listened to you, thinking it is just a game:
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Scene after locked down and stay at home order from our Governor.
 
The mortality rate is not the same for all countries. Like in China Infected 81603 and died 3276. But look at Italy there infected 59138 and 5476. Source. So in Italy mortality rate is double than of China. Also Spain double than China.

It is impossible to give an accurate mortality rate since not everybody is getting tested.

Many country's in Europe only test people who are at high risk of getting very ill or even dying or people who are needed in hospitals and stuff like that. If you call your doctor with symptoms you need to stay at home in quarantine for at least 7 days but you don't get tested so you are not added to the number of infected people either.

You can be pretty damn sure the number of infected people is at least times 10, which means the mortality rate is drastically lower than what those numbers suggest.
 
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