Coronavirus DEBATE: Why are Americans dumb as fck?

How many times have I told you doomers the shutdown was useless once we had hospital bed capacity.

I must have told nine morons this a dozen times...
that we are getting the virus out of shutdown is proof the shutdown was massively destructive for no reason. (once we isolated the high risk and hospital bed capacity)

We can't hide from the thing forever and it obviously did not go away.

We may never get a vaccine you morons and our shutdown could never make the virus go away. Don't tell me to think in "systems" I've done so my entire career.

And our results are no better than Sweden's in fact if you doomers are correct about the impending doom...You are actually proving Sweden's approach was the correct approach.

You have to learn to think in systems.

There is nothing scientific at all in your process it's emotionally charged bs and you refuse to deal with any information that doesn't support your ideas. I'm just going to say it I hope you catch the virus it would probably be a good thing for society as a whole to see a few mouthy cynics catch it and shut them up for a while. I suppose though you'd be using every last breath you have posting on here with the virus telling us how since it hadn't killed you yet you are right there should have been no lock down.
 
You are too dumb to recognized this point.
We had a shutdown... people are now getting the virus....
yet we have done no better than Sweden.
The shutdown has caused massive destruction and there is no proof it has accomplished anything but shifting the virus infection dates.

(which was the whole point of the shutdown ... and it should have stopped once we had the hospital capacity.)





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There is nothing scientific at all in your process it's emotionally charged bs and you refuse to deal with any information that doesn't support your ideas.
 
go ahead... write some more stupid shit.
I am going to the beach and I will not be wearing a mask. For the 4th straight weekend in a row. Along with tens and tens of thousand of others.
yet... the percent positive rate in San Diego is dropping dramatically.

Where we have only had 6 pure Covid deaths... (as of about 3 weeks ago.)
 
go ahead... write some more stupid shit.
I am going to the beach and I will not be wearing a mask. For the 4th straight weekend in a row. Along with tens and tens of thousand of others.
yet... the percent positive rate in San Diego is dropping dramatically.

As I suspected, you are one of those dumb shitheads who doesn't take precautions. As I posted weeks ago, you seem selfish and shallow in your approach to life. Go ahead catch the virus it seems very likely.
 
It's surprising to see some people disagreeing with the medical profession. The deniers use faulty logic, when hospitalizations are skyrocketing.

I'm honestly puzzled, I'd think traders are smart enough to be concerned.

Hospitalizations are sky rocketing because people are returning for other procedures. Most hospitals are always full. The patients returning are now routinely tested for covid, regardless of symptoms, which explains the increase in cases. Covid deaths don't correlate with case numbers anymore. The same scientists have flipped back and forth multiple times. Retractions have been made from medical journals. There are scientists on both sides.
 
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="KCalhoun, post: 5132182, member: 51524"]With the highest deaths in the world from coronavirus and cases spiking to record highs....

Why are so many Americans so stupidly suicidal and stubborn? Even Fauci said there's an anti-science bias.
It can’t happen to me. I am young and invincible. It only happens to losers.

  • Unlike smart folks in Asian countries,, Americans don't all wear masks
  • It is inconvenient, like seatbelts. Besides, what I spend on this virus cuts into my drinking and cigarette money.
  • States reopen, see huge case increases and fall to close
  • Maybe Corona, with it’s r0 of 2.2 to 3.5 will not infect the general population this time.
  • Political leaders fail to wear masks
  • To instill public confidence that it is safe for citizens to go out and spend money.
  • No standard testing and contact tracing
  • I will not have my privacy intruded upon.
  • Seriously wtf
  • God bless America!
Scientific evidence and death counts are facts, why doesn't everyone follow the rules?
Meh, one person’s scientific evidence are another person’s fake news.

Help me understand, as it's baffling
Please allow me to provide you a case study from my own household:

I am a interstate truckdriver who rents a room in a house with 4 other roommates. Two of the roommates work at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW). One of these roommates tested positive for Coronavirus last week, after being sick for a week. The other roommate who works at the airport said he just got tested. Our landlord lives with us. I thought the landlord was responsible because he has a substantial job that requires security clearence. When it comes to managing a hotzone where we live, not so much. The coronavirus victim has free reign of the house and fully takes advantage of it by spending most of his time in the living room watching TV. I informed the landlord of published practices and procedures regarding managing coronavirus in one’s household. Yesterday, I had a pick up of air freight at DFW that I delivered straight through to San Antonio, TX airport. No forklift drivers, cargo handlers, signalmen, security guards, or administrative personnel where wearing any PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) except high visibility vests. The signalmen may have been wearing hearing protection. Why was this?

1. My landlord does not want to offend or inconvenience the Coronavirus victim. The landlord seems weak-minded to me and does not seem to understand his civil liability exposure. The landlord’s initiative in learning more Coronavirus is about non-existent.

2. The Coronavirus victim is self-centered and feels justified in using the common areas as he sees fit. “I paid my money...”.

3. As far as airport workers not even wearing a mask, it seems they feel their exposure risk is low. Even if they are infected, their attitude seems along the lines of “it’s not like I’ll die or something”. Also, there seems to be a breakdown of containment efforts by the authorities here.

Based on the way Coronavirus is portrayed in US media, if you are old and sick you have a much higher chance of dying than being younger. The problem is, there are intermediate effects of the virus that can cause permanent damage. Massive cellular death in various internal organs, even if you survive, are not likely to be repaired completely, especially if you are older. As a bonus, there may be higher cancer rates years after exposutre as has been seen in other viruses. Combined with evidence there is no long term immunity to this disease and no seasonal breaks from it should be worrying more people than it is. A term that should be more often associated with Coronavirus is “Disability Years”. Further, since immunity, if any, is less than 3 months after exposure, hopes for future vaccines are seemingly futile. As it is, current flu vaccines have a protection factor of maybe 1/3 to 1/2. Then a new strain comes along next flu season anyway.

A lot of eyes are watching how the United States and other countries are handling the Coronavirus crisis. Some of these eyes belong to terrorist groups. Do I really need to complete the thought here?

Personally, I wear a face mask, goggles, and gloves. Two pairs of gloves are best. Care in placing, removing, and disposal PPE are important as well. Those smart enough to drive are smart enough to wear PPE properly.

I suppose directives that include requirement to wear PPE and instructions on proper use would admit we have a problem. So if we don’t admit we have a problem, it will go away? If we don’t test, people will not be diagnosed with Coronavirus? If no more people are diagnosted with Coronavirus, it means we’ve beaten it?

God bless America!





 
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One of these roommates tested positive for Coronavirus last week, after being sick for a week. The other roommate who works at the airport said he just got tested. Our landlord lives with us. I thought the landlord was responsible because he has a substantial job that requires security clearence. When it comes to managing a hotzone where we live, not so much. The coronavirus victim has free reign of the house and fully takes advantage of it by spending most of his time in the living room watching TV. I informed the landlord of published practices and procedures regarding managing coronavirus in one’s household. Yesterday, I had a pick up of air freight at DFW that I delivered straight through to San Antonio, TX airport. No forklift drivers, cargo handlers, signalmen, security guards, or administrative personnel where wearing any PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) except high visibility vests. The signalmen may have been wearing hearing protection. Why was this?

1. My landlord does not want to offend or inconvenience the Coronavirus victim. The landlord seems weak-minded to me and does not seem to understand his civil liability exposure. The landlord’s initiative in learning more Coronavirus is about non-existent.

2. The Coronavirus victim is self-centered and feels justified in using the common areas as he sees fit. “I paid my money...”.

3. As far as airport workers not even wearing a mask, it seems they feel their exposure risk is low. Even if they are infected, their attitude seems along the lines of “it’s not like I’ll die or something”. Also, there seems to be a breakdown of containment efforts by the authorities here.

Based on the way Coronavirus is portrayed in US media, if you are old and sick you have a much higher chance of dying than being younger. The problem is, there are intermediate effects of the virus that can cause permanent damage. Massive cellular death in various internal organs, even if you survive, are not likely to be repaired completely, especially if you are older. As a bonus, there may be higher cancer rates years after exposutre as has been seen in other viruses. Combined with evidence there is no long term immunity to this disease and no seasonal breaks from it should be worrying more people than it is. A term that should be more often associated with Coronavirus is “Disability Years”. Further, since immunity, if any, is less than 3 months after exposure, hopes for future vaccines are seemingly futile. As it is, current flu vaccines have a protection factor of maybe 1/3 to 1/2. Then a new strain comes along next flu season anyway.

A lot of eyes are watching how the United States and other countries are handling the Coronavirus crisis. Some of these eyes belong to terrorist groups. Do I really need to complete the thought here?

Personally, I wear a face mask, goggles, and gloves. Two pairs of gloves are best. Care in placing, removing, and disposal PPE is important as well. Those smart enough to drive are smart enough to wear PPE properly.

I suppose directives that include requirement to wear PPE and instructions on proper use would admit we have a problem. So if we don’t admit we have a problem, it will go away? If we don’t test, people will not be diagnosed with Coronavirus? If no more people are diagnosted with Coronavirus it means we’ve beaten it?

God bless America!

Get a few plastic bags say three, the tough type they use for bags of wood screws in hardware stores and loop a big zip tie through them. Place that your your roommate's head and yank the cable tie tight. He may able to claw through one or two but not all three bags.

Dump him in his room. Blame antifa.
 
Government creates panic. Public response is, make us safe. Government takes away freedom of assembly and movement. Public response is to comply out of fear. Time passes, the end of days doesn't arrive. Public ventures out and life goes on. Government angry at public defiance. Create more fear. Endorse and facilitate mob violence. Public afraid again. Government response is to blame all of law abiding America while excusing mob. Public angry and arming themselves. Government response yet to be determined, but it's an even money bet at this point they'll side with the mob when the shooting starts in earnest.
 
Government creates panic. Public response is, make us safe. Government takes away freedom of assembly and movement. Public response is to comply out of fear. Time passes, the end of days doesn't arrive. Public ventures out and life goes on. Government angry at public defiance. Create more fear. Endorse and facilitate mob violence. Public afraid again. Government response is to blame all of law abiding America while excusing mob. Public angry and arming themselves. Government response yet to be determined, but it's an even money bet at this point they'll side with the mob when the shooting starts in earnest.

There are emotional places for the public to be between fear and don't give a shit fuck ya'll.

Public concerned as government and people they actually trust say this could kill a loved one, are worried but understand that they can't get something they are not exposed to and in time there may be a life saving breakthrough.

A couple of gruesome murders happen in an increasingly seen as fascist police state. People have some free time to think and better, masks, to hide their faces from fascist cameras. Figure now or never and protest.

Eventually in the distant future hopefully public die and go to heaven having shown teeny bit of courage, compassion and sacrifice when others needed it.
 
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There are people who didn't die, and are going through rehab of a serious nature. There is also a lot on unknowns on the long term impact on people's health given that there can be lung damage that lasts at least 10 years. I'm no medical person but plenty of experts in the field are very clear you don't want to catch this virus if you can avoid it. So it's incredibly stupid to see people like "Jem" actively encouraging "low risk" people to catch the virus.

His and others plans to do so is working in the US. Yesterdays stats showed something like 380 new cases in Canada and 33,000 new cases in the US. It's a rapid spike suggesting many people are not taking appropriate precautions.

Maybe Americans will get lucky on this, roll the dice sacrifice a lot of older and frail people and move on ( immoral on some levels imo ). However, if this gets worse, it's on the "Jem"'s of the world they are practically daring the virus to have a huge second wave worse then the first.

You can pretend the lock down wasn't needed but that is exactly the kind of thinking that allowed the virus to get a strong position in the US in the first place ( as much as 3 times worse then Canada from day one ).

What are you even talking about.

The worst effected cities are the urban cesspools run by Democrats (LA, NY, etc). Places that had smaller and weaker lockdowns were comparatively unaffected.

If you want to stay inside that's fine. Allow your immune system to weaken to the point it doesn't even work anymore. Continue to comply with your state officials while they destroy your small businesses and pass more and more dollars to the Waltons and Bezos. Why is it that I couldn't get a hair cut but I could drive to Walmart to buy shit I didn't need? Why is it that I couldn't see my doctor for my yearly physical but I could consume product from Bezos? Why is it that I was encouraged to consume product from MegaCorp but I couldn't go to the local grocer to buy locally sourced eggs and meat?

The coronavirus is the perfect catalyst for the new age robber baron to truly shine and everyone who's afraid of the sniffles is complicit in their pillaging of American small business.

People are acting like a few hundred thousand people dying of some virus is new. The regular flu kills about as many people per year. Call me up when it's 2/3 as deadly as the Spanish Flu. The probability of having "permanent disability" from COVID-19 is still significantly less than Polio. I'll take my chances.

and remember "we're here with you" and don't forget put on your 3M brand mask and use your Purell brand hand sanitizer early and often:

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