I'm sorry for the necro bump. I saw poor BeauStr get picked on & I just can't sit idly by as the mentally challenged get bullied. I'm glad you've made peace w/OP crying to Magna & getting you banned from the forum
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Coming to terms with my feelings. Long, sorry.
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lol, someone defending nazis/confederates?
Thye should only exist in museums as a part of history they do not belong in a square in a place of honor for two key reasons:
1. The Civil War unlike the revolutionary war was citizens of the United States rising up to overthrow the government or remove themselves from the country because they did not like being told they could not have slaves. Colonial revolution is not the same because it is rising up against a foreign power control. Colonialists were not British, they were from all over Europe. England was ruling the colonies like a dictator to extract taxes to fund its wars in EUrope. Civil War generals are a part of history but these men are not heroes that deserve a place of honor like other military figures.
2. Memorials to soldiers who died in the Civil War is understandable because it was a true tragedy of brother v. brother. Most confederate troops were basically the poor convinced to fight for the wealthy southerners and they were sent to slaughter and died with a lot of Union troops. But the confederate statues were put up mostly by the Daughters of the Confederacy from 1890 - 1950 and it was meant to glorify the Confederacy and also remind those freed Black citizens they were still second class citizens.
Gettysburg and Antietam are amazing Civil War museum sites with full histories of people on both sides of the war. That is where the Confederacy belong, in museums. When Jim Crow used confederate flag and southern pride symbolism to justify continuing to treat Blacks as slaves, they dont get to erect monuments to their "greatness"
It is not just the statues but why they were put up in the first place. The original ones were in cemeteries but later on they were PURPOSELY put in public places for a reason.
While you have valid criticisms and I enjoy your line of reasoning, the facts of the matter are that minorities as a large number are lower on the social-economic hierarchy. The cost of maintaining a government approved ID is not free and as such difficult choices are made.
Your point about TSA, bank account's, food stamps and alcohol do have an effect for me to reconsider my position. Free ID's for All!
On a personal note, TSA requiring "Real ID" has had the effect on me of not flying anymore. My current Driver's License is not a "Real ID" and the steps that are required to get the appropriate documents are complicated and personal. I'm a US citizen born overseas on a military base with a divorce and an adoption in the mix so it's not straight forward with many catch-22's with the red tape.
I live in a state that has mail-in voting, it's very sensible.
Still waiting for a reference for Democratic Gerrymandering if you would be so kind.
Do you miss the "Unite the Right Rally?"
Joking aside I recently came across an article that illustrates the nuances around the use of "fascism" to describe any political opponent. Much like the parable of the "boy who cried wolf", in this particular case there is, most likely, something "there" there.
Don't Call Donald Trump a Fascist
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/02/donald-trump-fascist-nazi-right-wing/
Not only were they "treasonous traitors" but they also supported slavery! The English, while not having outlawed slavery yet, were more and more opposed to it while the colonists weren't.
Given that most of this country supports the actions the colonists took back then, does that mean they do so supporting slavery?
I could bring up all the posts where many users thought you were Ricter on this forum, but why do so? You'll pretend to ignore them while logging out to read my posts anyway.
Once it was cleared up, it was corrected. No one makes Magna do anything he doesn't want to. Just ask him.
So do the research on the why each statue was put up, and keep the historical reference ones and not the ones put up for the reasons you claim happened. Don't just pull down all statues because the general or soldier fought for the South. I think its rather simple.
Many states waive the fee for state ID cards if the applicant can prove they are homeless or in poverty. Florida waives it for the homeless. The reason people don't get the cards is predominantly because they just don't care. And they're not interested in voting (or bank accounts, or flying, etc). If they cared, they'd get one. It disadvantages no one. Unless you want to show me specific examples of people claiming they cannot vote because they cannot get an ID card. As a reference, please see the cost and availability of state ID cards by state, and available support programs here.
If people wanted to vote, they'd get a card. Democrats use this as an excuse because it is to their advantage to have non-citizens vote, or ballot stuffing, or whatever.
That's a perfect example of what I mean. You aren't disenfranchised in this situation, you just don't want to get the Real ID".
If there is a way to determine whether the person who mailed the vote is the person who was entitled to do so, I'd be fine with it. Like a notary (some states require this). But you can't prove that everyone who sends in a mail in vote is the person who is supposed to vote that ballot. I cannot prove that everyone isn't. But I believe that people commit crimes and if they believe they won't be caught, they'll do it. If you wish to believe in the nobility of the human spirit in all cases, I have a bridge to sell you.
Sure. Please see the Princeton project on Gerrymandering and this article from very left leaning Vox (which you should find as an acceptable source). Found with very little effort of research.
If folks on the left didn't accuse everyone who didn't agree with them as racist or fascist, they wouldn't weaken and eventually make those words completely impotent. But they do, and so here we are.