Coming to terms with my feelings. Long, sorry.

[Sprout]

There's a lot here. First, I can assure you I've looked quite deeply into the issue. Second, there are lots of cases of Democrat gerrymandering. Are those OK with you?

Democrats say that requiring an ID to vote disenfranchises minorities. But they have no problem with all the other things that require an ID disenfranchising minorities (assuming it even does, which I don't agree with). There have been numerous examples where people have gone to the streets in NYC or Philly, or Chicago and asked minorities if they believe they are at a disadvantage to vote if it required an ID. They almost always say no. Its just white liberals who claim that.

If blacks and hispanics suddenly started voting GOP, the ID issue would fade into obscurity.

Please include any references to Democratic gerrymandering.

As for your claim "Democrats say that requiring an ID to vote disenfranchises minorities."

Here is the data on that;

https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

tldr;
Blacks of voting age - 25% lack government ID (or documents that support getting govt ID) vs
Whites of voting age - 8% lack government ID

 

[BeautifulStranger]

Please include any references to Democratic gerrymandering.

As for your claim "Democrats say that requiring an ID to vote disenfranchises minorities."

Here is the data on that;

https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

tldr;
Blacks of voting age - 25% lack government ID (or documents that support getting govt ID) vs
Whites of voting age - 8% lack government ID

Is not being in possession of an ID a legal requirement? How is it one group is somehow able to more reliably acquire an ID over another? Should those who are unwilling or incapable of completing a simple task have a say in the political direction our country takes?

Try again.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Please include any references to Democratic gerrymandering.

As for your claim "Democrats say that requiring an ID to vote disenfranchises minorities."

Here is the data on that;

https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

tldr;
Blacks of voting age - 25% lack government ID (or documents that support getting govt ID) vs
Whites of voting age - 8% lack government ID

First of all, you can't just say "since 25% of blacks lack a government ID, they are being disenfranchised". Maybe they don't care about voting, and if they did, they'd go get an ID. Just because someone doesn't have an ID doesn't mean they want to vote, and if they don't want to vote, they aren't disenfranchised. Some people don't have a driver's license. Does that mean they are being disenfranchised from driving? No, it just means they don't own a car and there's no need for one. They don't care.

As for my claim, can you please quote the whole text and not just the part you are trying to attack?

Democrats say that requiring an ID to vote disenfranchises minorities. But they have no problem with all the other things that require an ID disenfranchising minorities (assuming it even does, which I don't agree with).
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For example, can you link me to where you, or other democrats, get upset when the airlines or TSA require an ID to fly on a plane? How about to open a bank account? What about to get food stamps (SNAP)? Alcohol?

I mean, if we're going to discuss how people are disenfranchised from a lack of ID, surely you should be up in arms over all that. Why just voting?

 

[Monobrowtrading]

It's odd, because I'm not sure. I certainly stopped giving to charity. I don't give anything anymore. Let the government do it, its going to tax me for it anyway.

I also hired a crafty accountant who gave me creative ways of avoiding taxation, including international investments (my family has dual citizenship). And I've certainly surrounded myself with like minded people, and many of my liberal friends I don't speak to anymore (though admittedly some of them don't want to speak with me either for the same reasons).

This paragraph, written 10 years ago, is particularly telling:

Further alarming, is that this type of thinking is growing. It is on the rise. Educated voters are disappearing. What remains is a mob of sheep who find themselves "caring" about the direction of the country for one month every 4 years - who pretend to be experts on all decision making, but really only regurgitate the latest talking points from their biased tv outlets. ​

Its now two tribes, and the only difference between how I felt then and now is that I realize that the uneducated are in both camps not just on the left. And COVID definitely showed that.

So yeah, I think generally I'm on the same course. The biggest change was how much I used to give to charity and others, and I've stopped doing that, unless its someone in my close circle.

Cuddles and RRY/monobrowtrading/stopthattrain (and other usernames) obviously believe that I don't like talking about this post, but it couldn't be further from the truth. I always like to look back retrospectively. That's how we learn and develop moving forward. But I don't expect shallow thinkers to be able to understand complicated concepts.

By all means, resurface this post as often as you like!

Besides Russia, where else do you have citizenship?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Besides Russia, where else do you have citizenship?

I don't have citizenship in Russia. Wife does. We also both have US citizenship, and I have citizenship in a Western European country. Since I don't believe you are asking through honest curiosity, but instead looking to set up your next trolling attempt, that's all I'll give out.

 

[Tony Stark]

Define many. If you were to truly poll republicans , and I mean accurately, do you really believe that more than, say, 10% of them would actually support the actions of the Confederacy and slavery?

I don't think they would answer the question directly honestly.Some do answer it honestly indirectly imo

 

[Tsing Tao]

I don't think they would answer the question directly honestly.Some do answer it honestly indirectly imo



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Ok, maybe. But again, this is an example of where I don't entirely support the removal of all "confederacy" statues either. And that doesn't mean I support the confederacy as much as I support remembering history and what built the United States. Various generals of the confederate army were notable historical figures and known for other things as well.

 

[Tony Stark]

Ok, maybe. But again, this is an example of where I don't entirely support the removal of all "confederacy" statues either. And that doesn't mean I support the confederacy as much as I support remembering history and what built the United States. Various generals of the confederate army were notable historical figures and known for other things as well.

I think once you take part in killing 500,000 + US troops any good you may have done is irrelevant.

Hitler and Nazis are part of what built modern day Germany but they don't allow Hitler monuments and I would guess that there are fewer Germans that want Hitler statues than republicans that want Confederacy statues.


Personally I find The Confederacy just as evil as The Nazis

 

[Tsing Tao]

I think once you take part in killing 500,000 + US troops any good you may have done is irrelevant.

Hitler and Nazi are part of what built modern day Germany but they don't allow Hitler monuments and I would guess that there are fewer Germans that want Hitler statues than republicans that want Confederacy statues.



Personally I find The Confederacy just as evil as The Nazis

What about the revolutionary war? You support the militia attacking British soldiers? Or was that just like killing "US Troops"? After all, killing His Majesty's soldiers was just as bad, right? Just as rebel.

I'm sure you've heard the phrase "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". What matters is the cause, not the action. Many who fought against the Union thought they were in the right, and it wasn't just about slavery. It was about the Union telling them how to live. Just like the colonists fighting King George.

You can consider the Confederacy as evil as the Nazis if you want, though I personally believe that to be ridiculously hyperbolic. But there's a lot of subjectivity in that.

Comparing them to Hitler is really over the top, in my opinion.

 

[Tony Stark]

What about the revolutionary war? You support the militia attacking British soldiers? Or was that just like killing "US Troops"? After all, killing His Majesty's soldiers was just as bad, right? Just as rebel.

I'm sure you've heard the phrase "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". What matters is the cause, not the action. Many who fought against the Union thought they were in the right, and it wasn't just about slavery. It was about the Union telling them how to live. Just like the colonists fighting King George.

You can consider the Confederacy as evil as the Nazis if you want, though I personally believe that to be ridiculously hyperbolic. But there's a lot of subjectivity in that.

Comparing them to Hitler is really over the top, in my opinion.

The colonists were in fact treasonous traiters.

Don't see how killing and enslaving millions of blacks is any less evil than killing Jews.