CLoNiNG

OPTIONAL777 · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

what am i supposed to do with that? give me some evidence then to support your case. otherwise, what you say is just baseless speculation and nothing else.

It is my belief, why do I need objective proof?

My only claim is that anyone who wants proof can find it through the practice of faith, in the same way that someone who wants the proof of pudding can eat it.

Free world, to each their own, everyone will be rewarded accordingly.

OPTIONAL777 · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from stu:

Gordon,

Option has no evidence. He's pretending. To himself and everyone else.

No one has evidence to the contrary either. I have my own experience, that is enough for me.

There is, and can be no proof of experience, nor intention.

ElCubano · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

It is my belief, why do I need proof?

My only claim is that anyone who wants proof can find it through the practice of faith, in the same way that someone who wants the proof of pudding can eat it.

Free world, to each their own, everyone will be rewarded accordingly.

I agree 100%.....Faith is all I need as my proof. Just as Gordon has faith he will make it as a trader even though he hasnt seen the money......

aphexcoil · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." - richard dawkins

That is a pretty powerful quote that tickles my nihilistic side.

OPTIONAL777 · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from aphexcoil:

That is a pretty powerful quote that tickles my nihilistic side.

Kind of surprising that the guy who was the host of Family Feud came up with such a quote.

stu · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

No one has evidence to the contrary either. I have my own experience, that is enough for me.

There is, and can be no proof of experience, nor intention.

No argument. It is your belief. My only contention is and was only that it is not 'the truth'. I only ever disagreed with definitive closed statements such as 'god is the truth'.

Whereas 'I believe god is the truth' can't be denied.

Also 'I believe god is not the truth' can't be denied.

I may disagree with a substance but I would equally disagree if someone where to refuse such personal belief.

I think that was always the point here.

OPTIONAL777 · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from stu:

No argument. It is your belief. My only contention is and was only that it is not 'the truth'. I only ever disagreed with definitive closed statements such as 'god is the truth'.

Whereas 'I believe god is the truth' can't be denied.

Also 'I believe god is not the truth' can't be denied.

I may disagree with a substance but I would equally disagree if someone where to refuse such personal belief.

I think that was always the point here.

When did I ever say my beliefs were "THE TRUTH?"

I made no declaration beyond stating that one can verify the truth of what I am saying via the practice of faith.

stu · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

When did I ever say my beliefs were "THE TRUTH?"

I made no declaration beyond stating that one can verify the truth of what I am saying via the practice of faith.

"one can verify the truth of what I am saying via the practice of faith."

definitive statement ?

Gordon Gekko · Dec 30, 2002

the pope and osama bin laden are going to the same place when they die.

OPTIONAL777 · Dec 30, 2002

Quote from stu:

"one can verify the truth of what I am saying via the practice of faith."

definitive statement ?

True for me, and true for anyone who is willing to do the labwork.

I state that it is true, and I have given a way to prove or disprove the truth of my statement. What more do you want? That you are unwilling or unable to do the "math" of belief, what can I say?

If you were to state a definition of what is true that you would accept, you would probably require something that involved objective criteria.

If that is you definition, that is the box you live in. Obviously, that is a small box. I choose not to confine my beliefs to such a small box.

But, to each their own....one man's truth is another man's folly....depends on personal experience.

There is no objective truth of personal experience, just that personal experience is common to all human beings. That people are having a personal experience, by definition, is a tautology.

tautology

n 1: (in logic) a statement that is necessarily true;

Even an hallucination, a dream, or the vision of the Truth of God's existence is a personal experience.

People may question whether or not that personal experience is valid for themselves or others, but that is where freedom of choice comes in. How to interpret is the free will we all have.

This has not changed since the beginning of human experience, it is and will always be the case, it is a truth of life.