Your opinion, entitled to it.
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- Thread starter Gordon Gekko
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Your opinion, entitled to it.
I'm pretty sure (and I'm also confident that science can back me up on this) that death will bring some sort of change.
That is a pretty weak arguement. Does this mean that people who suffer from amnesia didn't really have a childhood? That the people they met and interacted with didn't really exist? Of course not. Just because you can't remember or recall something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
As a matter of fact, if you want to get really scientific about it, you could postulate with a very good scientific foundation that we shouldn't even be here right now having this conversation. However, we are -- so that means something.
If you atheists truly believe that life is nothing but an indifference in physics, then why not just put a gun to your head now and finish the proof?
Most of your post is a large truisim. You state obvious conditions
each to their own... personal experience... i agree, obvious tautology
"True for me, " yes ok
"and true for anyone who is willing to do the labwork." .......no you don't know that is true.
True for you yes . Will be true for others.... no, not true. Definitive closed statement assuming truth.
"I believe will be true for others" would be your opinion.... fine
"one can verify the truth of what I am saying via the practice of faith."
Another definitive remark
I say that can be refused legitimacy
To Prove or to Verify are strong words.
To Prove or to Verify one would need to confirm the truth of that statement by being able to establish its validity from standards of formal scrutiny similar to those required by science. Otherwise it is subjective. Not to test by science but to use the standards science uses.
Separate point....and before you remark working science is not subjective, comparable observable fact only becomes real science.
I just don't see how one can verify the truth unless you do the above.
A standard of verification is not made to others by definition of saying it or by practicing a faith which is subjective (all faith must be subjective by definition) but by formal quality at least as it applies to the standards of true science in its examinations.
Otherwise all I am saying is.... "I believe one can verify the truth of what I am saying via the practice of faith." .........IS legitimate
Imagination, experience, questioning make sure I don't live in a confined box. Beliefs of the type you declare, which don't stand basic scrutiny are restrictive and enervating to me .....so each to their own indeed.
That the beliefs I hold don't stand up to your criteria is your choice. You chose the criteria.
To each their own.
I continue to hold that anyone can verify the veracity of my statements that "if they are willing to do the labwork, they will achieve the proof and truth of what I am saying."
It cannot be proven wrong logically with statement, as it is a conditional statement, which could be satisfied by anyone with the ability or willingness to undertake the labwork.
It is impossible to prove subjectivity wrong objectively.
I know what I am saying is true via my personal experience, that I am unable to meet your criteria of a proof is of no concern, and not proof that I am not correct.
I may be right, I may not be right, the real proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Eat whatever you like.
Absolutely definitive.
Now the case is in the hands of the jury and the judge.
Definitive conditional statements are not a problem.
The jury and judge are believers.