Border Patrol arrests drop sharply in June

[piezoe]

Alright -- go research comments from government officials

But again we must ask, "which officials?" If it is Trump or anyone in his administration we are forced by their constant and absurd lying to take any and everything they say cum grano salis. When something clearly does not add up, it is most likely either flat wrong or intended to be misleading.

 

[UsualName]

But again we must ask, "which officials?" If it is Trump or anyone in his administration we are forced by their constant and absurd lying to take any and everything they say cum grano salis. When something clearly does not add up, it is most likely either flat wrong or intended to be misleading.

Latina loqi tibi?

 

[piezoe]

Latina loqi tibi?

Unfortunately, when it speaks to me, quod non intellegunt.

 

[UsualName]

Unfortunately, when it speaks to me, quod non intellegunt.

That should be the motto of this board.

 

[gwb-trading]

No. That would be your job. You made the claim, you’re supposed to defend it. If you can’t, you can’t. No big deal to me. The number just seems absurd on its face.

Actually you are correct after doing some research -- the border apprehensions went up greatly percentage-wise during the Obama administration. Prior this the suggested apprehension rates were lower than 10% (and usually under 1%).

By 2015 the percentage of apprehensions near increased to 50% -- mainly due to technology.

One article providing context below...

Barely half of illegal border crossers caught, according to Homeland Security report
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-border-crossing-captures-20161006-story.html

"In terms of people, 170,000 eluded capture during the 2015 fiscal year, 210,000 the previous year, and 1.7 million in 2005."

 

[UsualName]

Actually you are correct after doing some research -- the border apprehensions went up greatly percentage-wise during the Obama administration. Prior this the suggested apprehension rates were lower than 10% (and usually under 1%).

By 2015 the percentage of apprehensions near increased to 50% -- mainly due to technology.

One article providing context below...

Barely half of illegal border crossers caught, according to Homeland Security report
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-border-crossing-captures-20161006-story.html

"In terms of people, 170,000 eluded capture during the 2015 fiscal year, 210,000 the previous year, and 1.7 million in 2005."

This seems more accurate.

We often talk about magnets that draw immigrants over the southern border but one thing that goes unrecognized is that the housing boom in the early 2000s was the main reason for the surge in immigration.

Construction companies were hiring without regard for legal status by the million. It is not the welfare system that draws immigrants, it is the trade jobs.

Now with near record low housing starts, we are at near record low immigration. It’s something to think about.

 

[gwb-trading]

This seems more accurate.

We often talk about magnets that draw immigrants over the southern border but one thing that goes unrecognized is that the housing boom in the early 2000s was the main reason for the surge in immigration.

Construction companies were hiring without regard for legal status by the million. It is not the welfare system that draws immigrants, it is the trade jobs.

Now with near record low housing starts, we are at near record low immigration. It’s something to think about.

I will agree it is jobs that draw in most illegal immigrants. Many of these folks come to the U.S. and work very hard in construction and other industries.

There needs to be a better solution then what the U.S. is doing now. We effectively have no proper policy for dealing with the illegal immigration issue from our Southern border.

I would propose a three part proposal for dealing with the problem:

1. Build the wall - which effectively more of a technology implementation than a physical wall. Greatly increase the number of border patrol agents.
2. Require all illegal immigrants in the U.S. to register within a 90 days with the government. Those with no criminal records get a six year visa (which they can renew at 6 years). Those with criminal records get deported. Those who fail to register get deported.
3. Require all employers to use E-Verify. Increase penalties for hiring illegally drastically on employers.

 

[UsualName]

I will agree it is jobs that draw in most illegal immigrants. Many of these folks come to the U.S. and work very hard in construction and other industries.

There needs to be a better solution then what the U.S. is doing now. We effectively have no proper policy for dealing with the illegal immigration issue from our Southern border.

I would propose a three part proposal for dealing with the problem:

1. Build the wall - which effectively more of a technology implementation than a physical wall. Greatly increase the number of border patrol agents.
2. Require all illegal immigrants in the U.S. to register within a 90 days with the government. Those with no criminal records get a six year visa (which they can renew at 6 years). Those with criminal records get deported. Those who fail to register get deported.
3. Require all employers to use E-Verify. Increase penalties for hiring illegally drastically on employers.

So the wall won’t help anything. Drugs and people will still come in to meet demand. I’m sorry but the wall is a symbol not a solution.

I’m against the perpetual reregistering of unauthorized aliens because it creates a caste system, those with voting rights and those without. They simply would be at the mercy of the people. It’s not right.

E verify, yes!!! This is what will be most effective. Right now will still have the fun show loop hole in employment. The key is to not make businesses pay a fee. We as tax payers must shoulder the bill.

 

[gwb-trading]

So the wall won’t help anything. Drugs and people will still come in to meet demand. I’m sorry but the wall is a symbol not a solution.

I’m against the perpetual reregistering of unauthorized aliens because it creates a caste system, those with voting rights and those without. They simply would be at the mercy of the people. It’s not right.

E verify, yes!!! This is what will be most effective. Right now will still have the fun show loop hole in employment. The key is to not make businesses pay a fee. We as tax payers must shoulder the bill.

"So the wall won’t help anything. Drugs and people will still come in to meet demand. I’m sorry but the wall is a symbol not a solution."

The past few years have shown how tremendously effective a wall is build around technology -- the apprehension rate has gone up to nearly 50%.

"I’m against the perpetual reregistering of unauthorized aliens because it creates a caste system, those with voting rights and those without. They simply would be at the mercy of the people. It’s not right."

What are you going to do with the 11 million to 14 million illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. - most are working, not committing crimes and adding value to our society? Deport them all?

In terms of voting rights - what is the different between legal immigrants on H1-B Visas, etc. and illegal immigrants (Answer: Nothing). People on H1-B Visas, Green Cards, etc. don't consider themselves to be lower members of a caste system.

We need a practical solution for all the illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. - most U.S. citizens will not support automatically granting them citizenship for coming here illegally (the most pissed would be immigrants who came here legally). Most people would support a Visa system with renewals and the ability to apply for Green Card status then citizenship over time.

"E verify, yes!!! This is what will be most effective. Right now will still have the fun show loop hole in employment. The key is to not make businesses pay a fee. We as tax payers must shoulder the bill."

I agree it is time for government to firmly enforce E-Verify and increase penalties for deliberately hiring illegals.

 

[jem]

wow... you are disingenuous.
you blame the US for problems caused by a policy for which you advocate..(massive immigration)
then you attempt to smear me because you derailed the thread with spurious and most likely specious remarks.

I explained that it is disgusting that leftists advocate for massive immigration and then complain about poverty levels. As a throw away statement I said something about poverty level in the US is still being above many other countries.

instead of addressing the problems caused by immigration you decide to say the US is a shitty model compared to other western nations... we indicate we have a lower standard of living in other western countries and we apparently do no spend enough of social welfare.

Then when I show you we spend a shit load on social welfare.
you imply that my article was wrong because you don't wish to count the way we spend money on health care. (But the article addressed far more than health care spending.)

in short...
you derailed the thread and then try to blame me because you had no response to the fact that 40 to 60 million immigrants are going to take down a countries standard of living and mess up its opportunity and equality.

Aieeee, someone help me. I am being sucked into a jem black hole. AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee