Blockbuster Tell All Book Reveals What Sank Christie

You all know that I have repeatedly said that Romney's selection of Paul Ryan as the VP nominee was a disastrous mistake that may well have cost him the presidency. Ryan had a serious lack of charisma and command presence. More serious, he tied Romney to his unpopular budget and Medicare proposals, proposals that could not even pass the republican House. Additionally, his presence on the ticket turned the election from a referendum on Obama to one on Romney/Ryan's tax and spending priorities.

I wondered why they passed the pbvious pick, NJ Governor Chris Christie. Other than the fact that he was a fat, loudmouthed slob who could never have gotten a job with the buttondown Bain crowd, Christie seemed to be the solution to many of Romney's problems.

Now we have the answers, courtesy of a new book that reveals the contents of hundred so f interviews with workes on both the Romeny and Obama campaigns. See http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/02/the-hunt-for-pufferfish/

To summarize, the people responsible for vetting VP candidates were very uncomfortable about items in Christie's background. They seemed fairly trivial to me, things like a DOJ IG report criticizing his expense account spending, a defamation case from an early campaign, some ethical lapses by a brother and some lobbying work Christie had done. If it had been serious, how could he have been elected in a blue state like NJ?

I think what actually happened was that the straight arrow Romney people just didn't like Christie and his staff, and lacked the political smarts to see beyond a few obstacles. Tellingly, Romney's campaign manager wanted Christie and then preferred Ohio's Rob Portman to Ryan, both decisions I agree with.

According to the book, Obama and his people felt exactly the same way that I and Romney's campaign manager did. They were virtually incredulous that a smart guy like Romney had basically handed them the election through an unforced error.

There is a lesson in all this. At the end of the day, politics is about winning elections, not policies or governing. Obama's team got that. Romney didn't.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
----Romney's selection of Paul Ryan as the VP nominee....
----I wondered why they passed the obvious pick, NJ Governor Chris Christie.
----Now we have the answers, courtesy of a new book....
----To summarize....
----I think what actually happened....
----According to the book, Obama and his people felt exactly the same way....
----handed them the election through an unforced error.
----politics is about winning elections, not policies or governing.
1) Strategy blunders aside, didn't Obama always have a "simple majority" of the popular vote and was destined/assured/guaranteed to win anyway? The book seems to be a waste of paper/bytes. :confused:
2) Policy and governing wins re-elections, even more so if you have a simple majority "beholden" to you. :D
 
I agree with Nazzdack, Obama was to win anyway, not even Jesus* as VP would have helped Romney, so why the look back?

I also thought Christie was a RINO anyway, but I could be wrong... Kind of like the fat bastard....

*Jesus would have voted for Obamacare. What is more Christian AND patriotic than helping your fellow citizens??? :)
 
Obama was not close to being a shoo-in. He had a disastrous first term. No one who voted against him in '08 was going to vote for him in '12, and plenty of people who got fooled into voting for him in '08 were not going to make the same mistake.

Romney was a weak candidate, but good enough to win if he had run a competent campaign. Obama's strategy, as the book makes clear, was to viciously attack Romney's character and play to the instinctive dislike a lot of people have for someone who has been successful. Romney basically took it lying down and never fought back. One of the points they make in the book is that his campaign saw one of Christie's biggest assets for them was that he was prepared to say things about Obama that Romney wouldn't. I have never understood why people like Romney and McCain want to get the nomination so badly if they aren't prepared to do what is necessary to win. Even if you lose graciously, you still lost and there are no second place prizes in this game.

The election was decided by turnout. The democrats turned out their base, the minorities, welfare bums, homos, single women et al in large numbers, no doubt with a generous helping of vote fraud. Traditional republican voters, like older whites, didn't vote in the numbers required. Romney still carried the white vote by a comfortable marging, just not enough to offset the racial bloc voting for obama. I think Ryan's presence on the ticket turned off older voters, as they saw him as the guy pushing granny in a wheelchair off the cliff, and not without some justification.

The point of the book is twofold. People who are into politics love this behind the scenes stuff. Also, the attraction now is that it is seen as being a big problem for Christie in that Romney dropped him because of skeletons in the closet. Those skeletons, which seemed pretty minor to me, now assume major proportions.
 
Quote from nazzdack:

1) Strategy blunders aside, didn't Obama always have a "simple majority" of the popular vote and was destined/assured/guaranteed to win anyway?...
Parasites, welfare queens and their sympathetic bleeding heart liberal cheerleaders? It would appear so.
 
Quote from Lucrum:
----Parasites....
----welfare queens....
----bleeding heart liberal cheerleaders?
God/Jesus/ the Pope/Buddha/Allah/Madonna help us all if the "47%" becomes the 48%.......49%.......50%.......50.1%!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Obama was not close to being a shoo-in.

Delude yourself as much as you want, but if I recall correctly, he NEVER during the whole campaign came closer to Obama, then being behind -5%. (and here I used real statisticans, not wishful thinkers)

That is a shoo-in, among fact lovers. :)

Reps should face reality instead of trying to play the blame game. It is important to know why you lost, (people don't like your message) but don't delude yourself with unreal thinking. One more fact to think about:

In the last 6 presidential elections 5 times most of the people voted Democrat... Explain that away...
 
Some excerpts I read from the book paint Christie as pretty much a Narcissistic asshole.

Other stuff is brought to light like the fact that the Republican campaign was under fire from Chinese hackers! They couldn't use the internet for much while Obama was capitalizing on the use of social media. It's crazy out there...
 
Quote from Pekelo:

In the last 6 presidential elections 5 times most of the people voted Democrat... Explain that away...

More, not most - '92, '96, '00 no one had a majority vote
 
Quote from Pekelo:

Delude yourself as much as you want, but if I recall correctly, he NEVER during the whole campaign came closer to Obama, then being behind -5%. (and here I used real statisticans, not wishful thinkers)

That is a shoo-in, among fact lovers. :)

Reps should face reality instead of trying to play the blame game. It is important to know why you lost, (people don't like your message) but don't delude yourself with unreal thinking. One more fact to think about:

In the last 6 presidential elections 5 times most of the people voted Democrat... Explain that away...
the facts you mentioned, where do they come from and why do you believe they are reliable, for that reason, can't stand either party, rand paul ground swell was totally non reported, when nader campaigned, they put up 300 frivolous lawsuits against him,who was the short guy that ran and said all the banks were about to fail,ross perot, they threatened to smear his family and he dropped out,missing chad votes, dems,reps, are owned and need to be voted out,as long as they are owned, we who vote them in are owned, wake up
 
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