Quote from jem:
1. what a bunch of crap... Obama produced a document on the internet. So lets give him the benefit of the doubt as I did here on ET.
But now it looks like a court will examine the evidence... lets see if he proffers his document as evidence to the court or he proffers nothing and begins the appeal process.
I am the agnostic here... you and AK are fundamentalist zealouts.
2. is Obama a Natural Born citizen?
You have no idea.
Where was his dad born?
What citizenship did his dad hold?
What is the definition of NBC?
on a side note....
more lies from you.
3. Show us these notarized statements. What did they attest too? I read the governors statement... it stated here official told her the official saw a doc... or something like that.
The official said something about a record being there but did not vouch for the record stating Obama was born in HI... it was very craftily worded.
so what do you think your notarized statements are claiming?
4.Virtually all scholars accept the historicity of Jesus because of the "antiquities" passage recorded by Josephus and other documents which are not being dated back into the eyewitness period.
You keep confusing historicity with divinity. No one is saying that those documents mean Jesus is God... we are only saying the documents exist.
I am the agnostic here... you are the zealous fundamentalist.
Lets see Obama proffer the documents so we can examine the "historicity"
Once the historical fact of his birth place is determined than the court may rule on whether he is a natural born citizen.

Quote from trefoil:
I have a standing policy of putting folks on ignore who are obviously Nazis, or who post blatantly racist crap, that latter being a bar I have to keep lowering, by the way.
But as of now, I'm deciding birtherism is blatantly racist crap. If you're still saying you have a doubt at this point, it ain't because you're objective. It's because you're an off-the-charts loon, and I don't see any reason to talk to folks like that. Waste of time.
I guess I'll have to keep MVector off the list for now, just so I can see who else shows up to make a total ass of himself.
Total fact - White House never released a normal everyday common man "used in legal cases" photocopy of long form BC - they released a "multi-layer pdf file" from the White House website.Quote from trefoil:
I have a standing policy of putting folks on ignore who are obviously Nazis, or who post blatantly racist crap, that latter being a bar I have to keep lowering, by the way.
But as of now, I'm deciding birtherism is blatantly racist crap. If you're still saying you have a doubt at this point, it ain't because you're objective. It's because you're an off-the-charts loon, and I don't see any reason to talk to folks like that. Waste of time.
I guess I'll have to keep MVector off the list for now, just so I can see who else shows up to make a total ass of himself.