Biden's 3 trillion infrastructure plan

[Cuddles]

Its true. Manchin is going to protect coal but Sinema is gettable. Her support at home is awful and she risks becoming a senator without a home state if she doesn’t get it together.

no way in hell, she hasn't even sat down to say what she wants and is fundraising in Europe ATM. Her main beef in fact is tax increases among high earners. Let's face it, Joe was voted as worst case scenario to stop the disaster of Trump so he is turning to be that worst case scenario. He may just get 3T (1T infra, 2T recon), but he sure as hell wasn't willing to get out the big stick to get us there and is riding on the progs threat of sabotage.

Speaking to reporters last night, he said, “it’s not going to be $3.5 trillion. So, the question is: How much of what is important do we get into the legislation? I’m of the view that it’s important to establish the principle on a whole range of issues without guaranteeing you get the whole 10 years. It — it doesn’t — it matters to establish it.”

 

[smallfil]

Got to love Bernie Sanders but, for the opposite reason I love Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema. Senators Manchin and Sinema stand for majority of Americans. Bernie Sanders, avowed Socialist is very much like our ET troll cry babies, GWB, ExGoper and Cuddles4BS. They throw a tantrum each time they do not get what they want. So, Bernie Sanders plans to tank the bipartisan $1.0 trillion infrastructure bill if his $3.5 trillion reconcialiation bill does not pass?Way to go Bernie. I support this 100,000%. This just means the American people have won when the extreme liberal agenda goes down in flames. Bravo. Keep up the good work Bernie. For once, you are making yourself useful to the American people. Yeah, hold that $1.0 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill hostage, as long as it takes. That should work out fine for majority of Americans.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...-hostage-until-reconciliation-package-passes/

 

[Cuddles]

good luck w/ you family of 4 in Cali or foster care goals of 2021 and beyond:

ok, forget paid leave, that makes us no money, how about we get peeps back to the salt mines by getting them nannies?

 

[UsualName]

good luck w/ you family of 4 in Cali or foster care goals of 2021 and beyond:

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ok, forget paid leave, that makes us no money, how about we get peeps back to the salt mines by getting them nannies?

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Manchin is trying to turn the child tax credit into a “welfare” program with such low income levels. The point of making it broad based was to make it exactly not divisive. With such low income gaps, half the families in a neighborhood will be eligible and half not - that will create unnecessary tension and ultimately doom the program in the long run.

 

[Cuddles]

Manchin is trying to turn the child tax credit into a “welfare” program with such low income levels. The point of making it broad based was to make it exactly not divisive. With such low income gaps, half the families in a neighborhood will be eligible and half not - that will create unnecessary tension and ultimately doom the program in the long run.

It also lessens the burden on the tax cut claw backs that Biden would need to make. Maybe you could sell the "means-testing" BS, the legal guardianship argument is inexcusable however.

 

[Cuddles]

#FeelTheBern

 

[UsualName]

Talk of Manchin putting out little feelers on him leaving the Democratic Party moving through the Twittersphere today. It’s just his way.

We’ve been down this road before but democrats do need to be reminded that Manchin makes things possible and without him the soup of the day is a big fat bowl of nothing. The last thing AOC and the progressives actually want is Joe Manchin wandering off into woods to contemplate the meaning of life.

 

[Cuddles]

Talk of Manchin putting out little feelers on him leaving the Democratic Party moving through the Twittersphere today. It’s just his way.

We’ve been down this road before but democrats do need to be reminded that Manchin makes things possible and without him the soup of the day is a big fat bowl of nothing. The last thing AOC and the progressives actually want is Joe Manchin wandering off into woods to contemplate the meaning of life.

We should've elected Manchin/Sinema ticket. At least them fucking the country over would be democratic that way.

(CNN)President Joe Biden informed House progressives Tuesday afternoon that the final bill to expand the social safety net is expected to drop tuition-free community college, a major White House priority, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

And the President discussed a $1.75 to $1.9 trillion price tag for the sweeping spending package, according to a person familiar with the talks. While the number is not finalized, it is far closer to West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin's $1.5 trillion top line than progressives' number, which was $3.5 trillion.

Moreover, he indicated that the child tax credit -- a key Democratic priority -- would likely be extended for one additional year, much shorter than what many in their party wanted, one of the sources said. The child tax credit will also likely be means tested, keeping with what Manchin had wanted.

Biden also indicated to the group that they would reduce the proposed funding for so-called homecare for the elderly and disabled -- down to less than $250 billion, sources said. Democrats had wanted to keep the funding at $400 billion.
The President told progressive lawmakers that negotiators are weighing reducing the duration of the paid leave benefit outlined in the package to four weeks, down from a proposed 12 weeks, according to three sources familiar with the meeting.

The President has highlighted the free college proposal in speeches across the country for months, telling one audience in July he was "insisting that we have universal pre-kindergarten (and) two years of free community college."
Biden, however, indicated the provision could be cut from the final plan late last week.

Debate over climate change within the final bill has not yet been settled -- since progressives want to go much further and Manchin has resisted those plans.
Democrats are debating what they should include after Manchin said he would oppose an electricity standard to force utilities to use cleaner-burning fuels to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 50% over the next decade.

 

[UsualName]

We should've elected Manchin/Sinema ticket. At least them fucking the country over would be democratic that way.

(CNN)President Joe Biden informed House progressives Tuesday afternoon that the final bill to expand the social safety net is expected to drop tuition-free community college, a major White House priority, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

And the President discussed a $1.75 to $1.9 trillion price tag for the sweeping spending package, according to a person familiar with the talks. While the number is not finalized, it is far closer to West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin's $1.5 trillion top line than progressives' number, which was $3.5 trillion.

Moreover, he indicated that the child tax credit -- a key Democratic priority -- would likely be extended for one additional year, much shorter than what many in their party wanted, one of the sources said. The child tax credit will also likely be means tested, keeping with what Manchin had wanted.

Biden also indicated to the group that they would reduce the proposed funding for so-called homecare for the elderly and disabled -- down to less than $250 billion, sources said. Democrats had wanted to keep the funding at $400 billion.
The President told progressive lawmakers that negotiators are weighing reducing the duration of the paid leave benefit outlined in the package to four weeks, down from a proposed 12 weeks, according to three sources familiar with the meeting.

The President has highlighted the free college proposal in speeches across the country for months, telling one audience in July he was "insisting that we have universal pre-kindergarten (and) two years of free community college."
Biden, however, indicated the provision could be cut from the final plan late last week.

Debate over climate change within the final bill has not yet been settled -- since progressives want to go much further and Manchin has resisted those plans.
Democrats are debating what they should include after Manchin said he would oppose an electricity standard to force utilities to use cleaner-burning fuels to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 50% over the next decade.

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That’s the thing, playing hardball with Manchin isn’t smart (although it probably is with Sinema). He really is holding all of the cards. The discussion should have been around the benefits of the proposed programs, not the price tags.

Biden is getting active now but Sanders has done too much damage in the media and Manchin taking on Sanders plays well back in West Virginia.

Some of this stuff needs to be put in public. Moving these programs to means testing isn’t good for anyone or anything. It becomes a wedge issue when groups are excluded. We should have learned that from the “welfare” programs of yesteryear.

 

[Cuddles]

That’s the thing, playing hardball with Manchin isn’t smart (although it probably is with Sinema). He really is holding all of the cards. The discussion should have been around the benefits of the proposed programs, not the price tags.

Biden is getting active now but Sanders has done too much damage in the media and Manchin taking on Sanders plays well back in West Virginia.

Some of this stuff needs to be put in public. Moving these programs to means testing isn’t good for anyone or anything. It becomes a wedge issue when groups are excluded. We should have learned that from the “welfare” programs of yesteryear.

hardball? Please, they've been treating him w/kid gloves. Damage in the media is not nearly far enough. Biden should be siccing DOJ on his daughter over her pharma BS and any dark money "twisting" his arm. Biden has no stick to speak of. The provisions in the reconciliation bill poll fairly high amongst constituents, including West Virginians. Manchin is NOT representing those that elected him.