Biden expected to announce $10,000 student loan forgiveness

[El OchoCinco]

Uh, on what basis? There is no size provision in the text. You’re advocating the court should assume congressional intent when they really should not, even though it is likely they did not envision the scope of something like what Biden did.

And I totally get well the Supreme Court can do whatever it wants. But seriously on what legal basis are you relying on, or is this just a guess of what they will do?

I have not read the entire HEROES act so I will refrain from giving any detailed opinion but all I said is I could see the SC saying Biden did not have the authority through the DoE to simply wipe out a broad sepctrum of student loans when the act was for exclusions for specific candidates who met certain criteria.

If I understand correctly Biden waived debt for anyone making under a certain income level. If that was the only requirement then it is pretty arbitrary because then it is not within the HEROES act intent.

This article highlights some of the wide issues that make Biden's actions questionable:
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/35892/is-student-loan-forgiveness-by-executive-order-legal/

Biden wanted to waive all debt obligations across the board rather than have any specific program authorized under any statute.... this is where the debate centers.

 

[El OchoCinco]

weird how they have zero qualms in broadening their inclusion when less explicitly stated in the text and it fits their bias huh? (patriot act, gun ownership, espionage act)

The justices are likely to strike down the program, moreover, despite the fact that the federal Heroes Act explicitly gives Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona broad authority to “waive or modify” many student loan obligations “as the Secretary deems necessary in connection with a war or other military operation or national emergency,” such as the Covid-19 pandemic.

careful with that first sentence because the other side could also argue ...abortion....gay mariage..

 

[Cuddles]

I have not read the entire HEROES act so I will refrain from giving any detailed opinion but all I said is I could see the SC saying Biden did not have the authority through the DoE to simply wipe out a broad sepctrum of student loans when the act was for exclusions for specific candidates who met certain criteria.

If I understand correctly Biden waived debt for anyone making under a certain income level. If that was the only requirement then it is pretty arbitrary because then it is not within the HEROES act intent.

This article highlights some of the wide issues that make Biden's actions questionable:
https://thecollegeinvestor.com/35892/is-student-loan-forgiveness-by-executive-order-legal/

Biden wanted to waive all debt obligations across the board rather than have any specific program authorized under any statute.... this is where the debate centers.

I may have posted before itt that they should've gone w/the Higher Ed Act for more solid footing but were opening themselves to con lawsuits but dems chose not to because that was their expectation (not really wanting to forgive the loans and add to the debt).

 

[El OchoCinco]

I may have posted before itt that they should've gone w/the Higher Ed Act for more solid footing but were opening themselves to con lawsuits but dems chose not to because that was their expectation (not really wanting to forgive the loans and add to the debt).

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There are a lot of buried issues in this but the fact that people are challenging it simply becuasw Biden proposed it or wealthier people are asking why they cannot get $10,000 forgiveness leads me to believe this has nothing to do with any desire to uphold the constitution but simply to play politics with an issue.... since that is the case the decision will also be based on politics and not law.

 

[Cuddles]

There are a lot of buried issues in this but the fact that people are challenging it simply becuasw Biden proposed it or wealthier people are asking why they cannot get $10,000 forgiveness leads me to believe this has nothing to do with any desire to uphold the constitution but simply to play politics with an issue.... since that is the case the decision will also be based on politics and not law.

if cons cared they'd have sued when Trump did his student loan forgiveness. And before you jump on me for "well it was part of the bill", keep in mind this did not stop SCOTUS from ruling provisions of Obamacare unconstitutional. This is obviously only about handing "L's" to Biden and to some degree drum their "austerity" bullshit that no one believes anymore.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammi...l-signaling-its-broad-appeal/?sh=171937467707

 

[Cuddles]

some good fact checking about Maher's shitty framing:

 

[athlonmank8]

https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/2...an-forgiveness-biden-nebraska-education-brownView attachment 307755

Were they forced to take out the loans? What did they spend excess funds on?

 

[athlonmank8]

Well we don’t know it to be a lie and we don’t know it to be true either. It is something that needs to be looked at but we should not be drawing conclusions just because the timing is suspicious.

The CIA has a history of accidently compromising our spies.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theregister.com/AMP/2022/09/29/us_spy_catastrophe_reported_in/

 

[vanzandt]

SCOTUS nipped it in the bud.

 

[exGOPer]

Biden will weigh in on the student loan forgiveness ruling on Friday, according to a source within the White House who said that while "we strongly disagree with the court, we prepared for this scenario."

"The President will make clear he’s not done fighting yet, and will announce new actions to protect student loan borrowers," the source said.

"We’ll also be making it crystal clear to borrowers and their families that Republicans are responsible for denying them the relief that President Biden has been fighting to get to them," the source added.