Are options a waste of time and money? (pun intended)

[destriero]

An arb in structure, in index, that has no capacity issues and a lower req than a box/roll. When I doubled size it ADDED buying power under TIMS. Zero vol-shift. Shown in QQQ. If you don't understand the significance then this thread is perfect for you.

Bye.

 

[wxytrader]

An arb in structure, in index, that has no capacity issues and a lower req than a box/roll. When I doubled size it ADDED buying power under TIMS. Zero vol-shift. Shown in QQQ. If you don't understand the significance then this thread is perfect for you.

Bye.

LOL I bet BNF wouldn't understand what you are talking about either.

Transalation: You are trading arbitrage using a box spread in an index fund. Do you even cover your fees?

BNF kept it simple and made millions.

 

[destriero]

LOL I bet BNF wouldn't understand what you are talking about either.

Transalation: You are trading arbitrage using a box spread in an index fund. Do you even cover your fees?

BNF kept it simple and made millions.

You're fucking dumb.

It's long vol throughout. It's not a box-arb... I was stating that the cash-req is less than a box/roll arb. It's a 600-lot arb in QQQ (NDX, but priced in Q). Look at the y-axis.

 

[wxytrader]

You're fucking dumb.

It's long vol throughout. It's not a box-arb... I was stating that the cash-req is less than a box/roll arb. It's a 600-lot arb in QQQ (NDX, but priced in Q). Look at the y-axis.

So what's the risk reward?

 

[El OchoCinco]

If you read my first post I didn't take any position...just analyzed that with the numbers everything other than 0-3 DTE's (with RISK MANAGEMENT) is a fools errand. I have then gone on to back up my claim and am still waiting to be proven wrong by an example. I am a big proponent of using options in tandem with the underlying as they were intended.

So fucking use options the way YOU want to use them and leave the rest of us out of your fantasy... why shoudl an y one prove anything to you..

There is not one successful trader whoever feels the need to share anything of significant detail with someone just because they demanded to know. We all share positions and trades but a newbie who comes in screaming "PROVE IT TO ME!" is a fucking child in the trader's world...

no one here is going to take you seriously... stop the bullshit "oh I thought we have elite traders here..." Yeah..... why the fuck should we educate you anonomously when you come off with such an attitude.

Gee I wonoder why eveyrone is ripping you a new asshole instead of engaging

 

[El OchoCinco]

No. I want someone to give me an example where longer term options strategies can have a better risk reward than 0-3 DTEs.

What you want means fuck all to the rest of us....

Next time try some humilty and respect before you go demanding we prove anything to you.

"I WANT..."

I want someone to prove to me they give a fuck about what you want haha

 

[destriero]

So what's the risk reward?

I reduced the trade to the min-ratios.

 

[wxytrader]

I reduced the trade to the min-ratios.

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So what is the probability of Max gain? What do you typically make on this type of trade?

 

[M.W.]

Oh goodness, you are back. How badly did Baron beg you to come back, after ET turned into another politico website?

Truth be told, I bet you could not hold onto yourself seeing an options related thread without you in it.

Welcome back

There is an arb in structure and this hit the tape. The req under PM/TIMS is $3500. 3,500.

 

[destriero]

So what is the probability of Max gain? What do you typically make on this type of trade?

Probability of max gain is the wrong question to ask. The point is that it costs nothing to hold and any settlement is a (relative) lottery win. The problem is that I am impacting the skew on index.

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