Another White Cop shoots an unarmed Black Man

[AAAintheBeltway]

CO, You're totally right and I agree with you, but we have to live in the real world, and in that world, there are an awful lot of cops just itching to pull their weapon or to smack someone around.

And like you said, they are their own worst enemy because they end up alienating people who would otherwise instinctively support them.

 

[CaptainObvious]

CO, You're totally right and I agree with you, but we have to live in the real world, and in that world, there are an awful lot of cops just itching to pull their weapon or to smack someone around.

And like you said, they are their own worst enemy because they end up alienating people who would otherwise instinctively support them.

Something has gone completely haywire in this country. It's upside down. We have combat troops in a combat zone acting as the local police force. Here at home we have police in their local communities acting as if they're combat troops out on some search and destroy mission. I don't know what the hell is going on, but it sure ain't right.

 

[Lucrum]

When I have been stopped in the past, knowing that I look like a latino thug. I always and I mean always put my hands up outside my window in plain view of the cop period....

I've read this is very good advice for everyone that's been pulled over. Regardless of what you look like.

 

[Lucrum]

I disagree. It's the police that need the training and training 101 is get your god damn hand off the gun. Pulling the gun is their last option, not the first, and I don't want to hear any of the bullshit about they only have a second to determine what a person is going to do. That's the job, and if their very first instinct, if they go out on patrol thinking everyone is a violent criminal, then they aren't of the right physiological make up to be a cop.
This is the result of militarizing the police force and training them to believe every citizen is the enemy....

This is a very serious issue and it's been getting progressively worse for years.
There are good cops. Well versed in firearms handling and use of deadly force. Honestly trying to serve and protect the citizenry.

But there are also way too many bad cops. They either have the us vs them mentality you mention and or they lack the mental skills to accurately assess potentially serious situations under stress. They care ONLY about their personal safety and not that of the citizens they're ostensibly serving and protecting.

IMO if you're not willing to assume a certain amount of risk to avoid unnecessary shootings. You're in the wrong fucking career. We have soldiers in war/combat zones with more restrictive rules of engagement than our civilian police forces are allowed to use on us.

 

[LEAPup]

Saw the clip last night. Anyhow, wore a badge that said Trooper on it, but was with a State Police agency; a vast difference over Highway Patrol, which SC has. And damn, that was an evil-bad shooting. Jesus! The Tpr pulled in the gas station like his ass were on fire, and was overloaded with pure dumbass. Nope, can't back that one ioda. Felt sorry for the black guy. And thank God he didn't die! Or at least Fox News mentioned shot in the hip. Phhhhheeeew, that's gonna be one hell of a settlement courtesy of SC.:eek:
Never seen anything like that before, and it did make my stomach ill as I can only imagine what that dumbass was thinking after pulling that kind of nonsense. These guys just don't seem to understand that once that primer's punched, they're responsible for the direction of travel of the projectile, lock, stock, and barrel- forgive the pun.
Before I sound anti-cop, I'm not. I just have a hell of a disconnect with the guys who've been out 10yrs or less. And remember, they do come from that me, me, me, fuck you, generation.
Last, I'll point out, I did see the clip of (don't even need to look this up) Trooper Coates (spelling?) from SCHP who was gunned down by a pile pf shit with a .22 mag North American Arms. Round went right under his armpit, no vest coverage there. Put six .357 mag rounds in all the wrong places, and didn't kill the fat ass. Prior US Marine also. Since I was a Trooper, had the "pleasure" of watching unedited clips. Watched him radio "Ridgeland" yelling 10-33, then laying down and slowly dying. Black Trooper shows up to help, and was out of his mind in grief, basically wanting to crush the bad guy's head. No one can really point out what these guys see, and go through, but that's ZERO excuse for behavior like that, nor this militarized horse shit, which is destroying community/cop relations...

 

[LEAPup]

This is a very serious issue and it's been getting progressively worse for years.
There are good cops. Well versed in firearms handling and use of deadly force. Honestly trying to serve and protect the citizenry.

But there are also way too many bad cops. They either have the us vs them mentality you mention and or they lack the mental skills to accurately assess potentially serious situations under stress. They care ONLY about their personal safety and not that of the citizens they're ostensibly serving and protecting.

IMO if you're not willing to assume a certain amount of risk to avoid unnecessary shootings. You're in the wrong fucking career. We have soldiers in war/combat zones with more restrictive rules of engagement than our civilian police forces are allowed to use on us.

Oh yes, in OIF, I gave the order to smoke towelheads, and that's even after my Men spotted them running with weapons.* Of course, if one were in danger, then yes, start firing IF it doesn't get the rest of us smoked in the process.

* Gotta love hollyweird's portrayal of us just unleashing all hell on a whim. Even the movie Platoon showed guys taking it upon themselves to shoot gooks as they ran with weapons, without an ok to shoot order. Sure, it happened in Vietnam, but not any Platoon or Company I was in charge of. Can you imagine me having a few guys who'd just unleash fire without me saying go? I could have had intel that there were hundreds of bad dug in, and that absolutely would have compromised our location.:eek:Now once I saw the chance to have my machine gunners line up sights, and the rest get ready, oh hell yes, it was fun when I'd say go! Towelhead parts just a flying! LOL!And yes, I call that shooting with precision.

 

[CaptainObvious]

There are good cops. Well versed in firearms handling and use of deadly force. Honestly trying to serve and protect the citizenry.
But there are also way too many bad cops.
IMO if you're not willing to assume a certain amount of risk to avoid unnecessary shootings. You're in the wrong fucking career. quote]

My sentiments exactly.

 

[LEAPup]

When I have been stopped in the past, knowing that I look like a latino thug. I always and I mean always put my hands up outside my window in plain view of the cop period. Should i have to do that no, but I understand the insane pressure these cops are under and dont want anything like this to happen to me. When you have 1 or 2 seconds to react under pressure of maybe being a victim yourself you shoot first and ask questions later...Sorry , but I gaurantee this cop gets off.No way no how a jury convitcts this cop.

No need to put hands out window, lol. If you get pulled again, turn on the dome light if night, put hands on wheel at 11:00 and 1:00 o clock. No fast movements, and no worries. These guys knowingly took on the risk, and expect people to react in a million different ways. And even of you went fast for your wallet, you may look at a .45 at the extreme. I'd back up, draw, but keep pistol down parallel to my body. Wouldn't freak the driver out by staring down a pipe as they'd not see much of the weapon. Would give me another second to observe for a weapon, and observe whether or not that "weapon" was coming my way via their movement(s).
Will have to believe the SC Trooper's screwed. The tape, on it's face shows criminal negligence. The first two rounds, maybe (not for me, but for a jury, maybe), however, the next few rounds were so far over the top, it's egregious. He'll do time. And after the continued shooting, I'd have to say he needs to. He's damned lucky he didn't kill the guy either. Couldn't imagine trying to live with myself after something that bad.
Last, the pressure. If I were to step in a patrol car at this point being gone from that mess so long, I'm sure I'd have some sort of attack from sheer fear. Lol, I guess. Couldn't imagine doing that job now.

 

[Lucrum]

No need to put hands out window, lol. If you get pulled again, turn on the dome light if night, put hands on wheel at 11:00 and 1:00 o clock. No fast movements, and no worries. These guys knowingly took on the risk, and expect people to react in a million different ways. And even of you went fast for your wallet, you may look at a .45 at the extreme. I'd back up, draw, but keep pistol down parallel to my body. Wouldn't freak the driver out by staring down a pipe as they'd not see much of the weapon. Would give me another second to observe for a weapon, and observe whether or not that "weapon" was coming my way via their movement(s).
Will have to believe the SC Trooper's screwed. The tape, on it's face shows criminal negligence. The first two rounds, maybe (not for me, but for a jury, maybe), however, the next few rounds were so far over the top, it's egregious. He'll do time. And after the continued shooting, I'd have to say he needs to. He's damned lucky he didn't kill the guy either. Couldn't imagine trying to live with myself after something that bad.
Last, the pressure. If I were to step in a patrol car at this point being gone from that mess so long, I'm sure I'd have some sort of attack from sheer fear. Lol, I guess. Couldn't imagine doing that job now.

11% of police shootings involve an innocent bystander being shot/killed - by the police.

Private citizen self defense shootings only have the same result 2% of the time.

That speaks volumes to the "bad" cop's disposition on shooting.

 

[Lucrum]