Anderson Cooper Demolishes Texas State Rep's Birther Claims

Quote from Arnie:

Again, that is not the original "Cerificate of Live Birth". Its a "Certification of Live Birth". That document was commonly issued to children born OUTSIDE of Hawaii.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]


http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

Also, until very recently the State Dept of Hawaii DID NOT accept "Certifications of Live Birth" as proof of being a native of Hawaii. Here is a copy of a "Certificate of Live Birth" from 1963. Its much different from a "Certification of Live Birth" which could have been issued at any time.

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Also noteworthy is the fact that 2 newspapers published announcement of Obama's birth, BUT this does not mean much since both papers get this information directly from the Dept of Health, which issues the COLB.


1. It wouldn't say he was born in Hawaii

2.That law did not start until 20 years after Obama was born.(I guess the next step would be is to argue that he is actually 20 years younger then he claims)



Claims that the certification of live birth is irrelevant

Lt. Col Terry Lakin's attorney, among others, has claimed that anyone, including foreign-born children, could acquire a Hawaiian certification of live birth, and so Obama's possession of such a certificate does not prove that he was born in Hawaii.[57] However, the suggestion that this could have applied to Obama was rejected by Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health: "If you were born in Bali, for example, you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate".[33] Another fact that refutes this specific claim is that the law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs did not exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961, and explicitly states that he was born in Honolulu.[58]
 
And there it is, the liberal ace in the hole, simply make a blanket statement accusing all of your detractors of racism/stupidity/thuggery when you are to lazy to debate with anyone.

Quote from trefoil:

I see the usual non-racists ('cause that couldn't be their motivation, really) are infesting this thread. I know this because I only see a very few comments. The rest are from folks I have on ignore.
My criteria are only if they either threatened me directly or piled on when I was threatened (90%; why they're allowed to post under their old names is completely beyond me), one or two totally useless fools I got tired of, and a few dumber-than-post morons who irritated me beyond what I could take.
So, that means we have here either thugs (a 9 in 10 chance), useless asses, or complete morons mostly posting to this thread.
As usual, whenever this subject comes up.
 
Quote from Hello:

And there it is, the liberal ace in the hole, simply make a blanket statement accusing all of your detractors of racism/stupidity/thuggery when you are to lazy to debate with anyone.

Amen.

And like all progressive "thinkers", put those who don't agree with you on ignore. Another princess who loves to censor free speech. Yeah, progress!
 
Quote from Range Rover:

Hawaii's Republican Governor and health dept directer says otherwise
Simple.......get the VAULT copy out in public and entire problem goes away (except for all the multiple SSN cards....:eek: ). :cool:
 
Quote from AMT4SWA:

Simple.......get the VAULT copy out in public and entire problem goes away

Its only a problem for the birthers.Obama isnt getting kicked out of the White House over the issue and 99 % of birthers aren't going to vote for him under any circumstance so why should he care:confused:
 
Simple.....US Citizenry and the US Constitution are worth more than any man in office! :cool:


BTW, would allow numerous law suits and doubt fill the air for years or spend 1 minute to show your vault copy if in the same situation??? :eek:

:D :cool: :D
 
Quote from AMT4SWA:

Simple.....US Citizenry and the US Constitution are worth more than any man in office! :cool:


BTW, would allow numerous law suits and doubt fill the air for years or spend 1 minute to show your vault copy if in the same situation??? :eek:

:D :cool: :D

It's the precedent it sets. The vault copy is produced and... declared a fake. Then we need to talk to the clerks, the managers, they company who made the vault doors, and on and on. If you're not going to accept, you're not going to accept, that's it in a nutshell.
 
Quote from AMT4SWA:

Simple.....US Citizenry and the US Constitution are worth more than any man in office! :cool:



:D :cool: :D

The Supreme Court and Congress are satisfied that the eligibility requirements are met.Congress certified the election and a Supreme Court Justice swore him in.
 
Quote from Ricter:

It's the precedent it sets. The vault copy is produced and... declared a fake. Then we need to talk to the clerks, the managers, they company who made the vault doors, and on and on. If you're not going to accept, you're not going to accept, that's it in a nutshell.
The DUTY of those running for election is to show the vault copy when eligibility is in question.

Heck, even the young kid who signs up for the Army to go die in the middle east wars has to show a vault copy just to enlist (unless of course you are one of the foreign nationals they are sliding in these days.....eastern europeans, mexicans, central americans, etc, etc, etc). Even the foreigners enlisting have to show some form of birth certificate.

The problem with obama is very simple.......there is ALWAYS DECEPTION with his past.....ALWAYS!!!

His no vault copy birth certificate ever shown???

His lack of school records???

His very very odd selective service record (everyone is still scratching their heads over that funny document....a "one-of-a-kind" special...LOL!)

What do his passports show???

Why does he and Michelle have multiple SSN cards (WTF)???

I mean come on man.......there is not just smoke here, there is a damn three alarm fire!!! :eek:
 
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