America has second worst newborn death rate in modern world

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Blaming the media, more red herring...

I am not concerned with the last administration, they are not in power, they didn't have full control of the executive and legislative branches. If the dems controlled the house and the senate, we wouldn't have had the waste of time and money that is known as a failed impeachment process.

The current administration, where the buck is supposed to stop, controls the house, the senate, the executive branch, and has loaded the Supreme Court with conservatives.

Quote from drmarkan:

Your comments about pro-lifers is a red herring. They aren't allowed to police the people. The media has more power in this country than you give them credit for. Why didn't the last administration pass laws to the same effect? My comment is valid regardless if you agree with it or not.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

I am not blaming society for the problem, I am holding society responsible for the solution when mothers who have personal problems they can't control end up pregnant and have kids who die prematurely.

We do arrest drunk drivers?

We do take away their license?

We do send them to jail for repeat offense?

Why? Because they endanger society.

So why is it right to allow a citizen to endanger a fetus through their personal problems they can't seem to control?

Once again, it is seen that the same people who go nuts at the the thought of a woman choosing not to be a mother through abortion, but those same people won't prohibit a woman from taking drugs, alcohol, junk food, etc. which put the fetus at risk upon birth....

Please show some consistency if the desire really is to protect the "unborn child...."

C'mon, you can't possibly be holding society responsible for the bad choices of others, or to fix them.

Was society responsible for your alcoholism? Or for your subsequent recovery?

The answer is no. The only person responsible for both was YOU...

I would agree, however, with imprisoning women who smoke or drank or did heroin while pregnant. because like the drunk drivers, they are endangering society...

 

[whitenoise911]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

How many pro life people allow pregnant women to eat junk food...

How many pro life people allow women to drink too much...

How many pro life people allow women to take drugs they should not take...

One is too many.

Your comments concerning the media is a red herring, they don't pass or enforce the laws of this country...

"allow"?

"Ah lahh wahh"

"a-low-a"

"aloha"?

how many pro life peoples aloha you to post here?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

If the society has the power to prevent drunken drivers killing someone, and society doesn't act....who is to blame?

Blame goes to those who have the power, and don't exercise that power.

Most expectant mothers who have drug problems, alcohol problems, poor nutrition issues, poor prenatal care.....don't really want to jeopardize their potential children....or do you think that is really want they want to do?

And if so, do you really think drunk drivers want to kill people while driving?

Quote from Haroki:

C'mon, you can't possibly be holding society responsible for the bad choices of others, or to fix them.

Was society responsible for your alcoholism? Or for your subsequent recovery?

The answer is no. The only person responsible for both was YOU...

I would agree, however, with imprisoning women who smoke or drank or did heroin while pregnant. because like the drunk drivers, they are endangering society...

 

[drmarkan]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

If the society has the power to prevent drunken drivers killing someone, and society doesn't act....who is to blame?

Blame goes to those who have the power, and don't exercise that power.

Most expectant mothers who have drug problems, alcohol problems, poor nutrition issues, poor prenatal care.....don't really want to jeopardize their potential children....or do you think that is really want they want to do?

And if so, do you really think drunk drivers want to kill people while driving?

How do you know that pregnant mothers who are abusing drugs and alcohol don't want to hurt their children. If they really didn't, they wouldn't continue the habit. Their own selfishness prevents them from discontinuing their destructive behavior.

Tell us what power the people have to stop these women. Tell us exactly how the people can stop these women. It is sad that you don't want people to take responsibility for their own actions. This is the definition of entitlement society. I'm going to do everything wrong and blame the rest of the world for my problems. That type of attitude is what will keep our infant mortality rate up.

 

[whitenoise911]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

If the society has the power to prevent drunken drivers killing someone, and society doesn't act....who is to blame?

ahhh pease give multiple choice slution to world poblm many thanks

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

So in your world, people who are drug addicts, and alcoholics, want to hurt their children, or the possible child they may have?

If they were just strong enough, if they just cared about their kids enough, they would just quit drugs, alcohol, or any other abusive activity....is this really what you are saying?

And if the mother is too weak to stop her behavior, and if babies die as a result due to her personal weakness....oh well....it is not the problem of society.

If so, I think we are done here....you sound too much like Rush Limbaugh, before he came clean about his own addictions....

Quote from drmarkan:

How do you know that pregnant mothers who are abusing drugs and alcohol don't want to hurt their children. If they really didn't, they wouldn't continue the habit. Their own selfishness prevents them from discontinuing their destructive behavior.

Tell us what power the people have to stop these women. Tell us exactly how the people can stop these women. It is sad that you don't want people to take responsibility for their own actions. This is the definition of entitlement society. I'm going to do everything wrong and blame the rest of the world for my problems. That type of attitude is what will keep our infant mortality rate up.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

If the society has the power to prevent drunken drivers killing someone, and society doesn't act....who is to blame?

Blame goes to those who have the power, and don't exercise that power.

Most expectant mothers who have drug problems, alcohol problems, poor nutrition issues, poor prenatal care.....don't really want to jeopardize their potential children....or do you think that is really want they want to do?

And if so, do you really think drunk drivers want to kill people while driving?

Society DOES NOT have the power to prevent drunken driving. Where'd you come up with that one ? LOL... The individual is to blame - again, look at your own story here. You saw the benefit to sober up, and took the appropriate action - I applaude you. The individual has the power.....

Society does, however, have the power to act against those who would abuse their privileges and endanger others after the fact. That's what we do here in the US. We give people the benefit of the doubt and allow people to enjoy their privileges until they demonstrate that they don't deserve them.

And of course drunnk drivers nor expectant mothers don't WANT to hurt others. I think it's obvious, however, that they don't have respect enough for themselves or for others to not endanger others and to limit their rights.

Hmmmm, how would one exercise the kind of power over others as you are suggesting and not be labeled a facist ????

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

How many pro life people allow pregnant women to eat junk food...

How many pro life people allow women to drink too much...

How many pro life people allow women to take drugs they should not take...

One is too many.

But, as you have posted on ET, the life of further innocents killed by felons who were released after murdering already is proof that the parole system works.

I guess your "one too many" thought process is restricted to pregnant women.

Care to explain this discrepancy, Zzz?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Quote from Haroki:

Society DOES NOT have the power to prevent drunken driving. Where'd you come up with that one ? LOL... The individual is to blame - again, look at your own story here.

You don't know my story.

You saw the benefit to sober up, and took the appropriate action - I applaude you. The individual has the power.....

Again you don't know what you are talking about.

Society does, however, have the power to act against those who would abuse their privileges and endanger others after the fact. That's what we do here in the US. We give people the benefit of the doubt and allow people to enjoy their privileges until they demonstrate that they don't deserve them.

Right now, we have the technology to disable a vehicle from being driven by requiring a breathalyzer to be attached to each car's ignition system.

And of course drunnk drivers nor expectant mothers don't WANT to hurt others. I think it's obvious, however, that they don't have respect enough for themselves or for others to not endanger others and to limit their rights.

If only they were to have as much self respect as you, right?

Hmmmm, how would one exercise the kind of power over others as you are suggesting and not be labeled a facist ????

Fascism is about control over people to enhance the power of government.

Putting women who want to have children in a position to where they can birth children successfully, is just plain common sense....that is if people really care about the unborn child, or the newly born child....especially when the child is poor and of a minority status.