All Atheist's End up In Hell

[Illini Trader]

A Few Things Concerning the Future:

1. Prophecy states that at the end days an evil satanic World Ruler with many names (Antichrist, the beast, Lawless One, Son of Perdition, etc) shall appear as the supreme political leader and with him the "False Prophet" as the world's religious leader. Together they will rule the world. The number of his name is 666.

2. This man will be a brilliant man and charismatic; he will bring peace to a chaotic world; be an affluent speaker and enthrall the masses.

3. He will suffer a fatal head wound and be brought back to life and proclaim himself to be God. He will do many miracles and his false prophet will even bring down fire from the heavens. And, the deceived people will be enthralled with him.

4. He will have a 7 year reign with the first 3 and 1/2 years will be smooth and the last 3 and 1/2 years will be the "Great Tribulation" A time so bad that if God did not bring it to an end no flesh would survive.

5. Everyone will have to take the mark of this beast on their forehead or their hand in order to buy or sell within the world system.

6. In my opinion this covid vaccine is a test run for the mark of the beast. It will probably be some DNA changing thing to that of the Beast that promises to end disease and maybe even promise eternal life by becoming like the Beast. No one who accepts the mark of the Beast will be saved.

7. This 7 year period will commence when "the Beast" confirms a treaty with Israel. This is called the 70th week of Daniel as prophesied in the Book of Daniel.

8. The Bible was translated into Greek around 200 BC and this translation is called the Septuagint. This is well documented in history. This is important because in Daniel 9, Daniel was given a prophecy that said from the time the decree was given to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Price there shall be 69 weeks (of years) or 483 years. This 483 years ended to the exact day (April 6, 32 AD on Palm Sunday when Messiah rode on a donkey into Jerusalem the week of crucifixion. The Jews did acknowledge him as Messiah by singing the Psalm "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord". The same words that Student... quoted earlier. Jesus said that they will not see Him again until they again sing this Psalm "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord". The Jews will again recognize Jesus as the Messiah and mourn for the "one that they pierced" (Zachariah 12) Then He returns to earth to rule for 1000 years on King David's throne.

9. The 70th week or the final 7 years of this prophecy that will bring this current world to an end will commence when the treaty with Israel is confirmed.

10. How close are we? Jesus said (when he was describing the end of the age) that when the Fig Tree begins to bud this generation will not pass away until all this is fulfilled. God has called Israel His fig tree so when Israel became a nation in 1948 fulfilling 56 distinct prophecies, that started the end times clock. A Biblical generation is 70 years, 80 with strength so around 2028 would be an approximate time.

11. Interesting that the asteroid Apophis, contrary to current NASA claims, will actually hit earth in the Pacific Ocean on April 13th, 2029 and could be the Biblical "Wormwood". The devastation this 1100 ft wide asteroid will inflict on the earth is similar as what is described in the Bible.

12. One more thing, Believers are promised that they are not appointed unto wrath and will be raptured off of the earth so that event could happen at any moment.

Well, these are things that will provide evidence to you in the future if your hearts are not too hardened because Student and I will not be around to explain them to you then.

 

[stu]

MEDIC !

 

[piezoe]

For example, one point made in the article is that life does not self-assemble.

Arguments based on nebulous concepts, such as self-assembly, are doomed to fail. Usually one side is basing their argument on the failure of the other's argument rather than the merits of their own. Then too, any argument where one side or both is based on faith is pointless. To have a legitimate argument both sides must be observation based. Otherwise we are back to arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

The only way for creationists to gain any credibility among scientists is to base their arguments on observation and the natural laws as we know them at present. Once creationists stray into the supernatural they will be ignored as crackpots, and rightfully so.

You have probably noticed that creationists focus on trying to argue against their own perception of various scientific hypotheses, which if true would be incompatible with their concept of "a creator," or in current terminology the concept of "intelligent design".

Instead of arguing against science, why not argue for creation by a "creator"? Of course, the dilemma faced by all those espousing the existence of a creator is the non-existence of an intelligent argument in their favor. Thus they are reduced to precisely the kind of false logic I mentioned in my previous response to you. Their arguments invariably center on the failure of current scientific hypotheses to explain creation of biological life; ergo, by their false logic, there must be a creator... I have already given you my view of that that kind of logic.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

Instead of arguing against science, why not argue for creation by a "creator"? Of course, the dilemma faced by all those espousing the existence of a creator is the non-existence of an intelligent argument in their favor. Thus they are reduced to precisely the kind of false logic I mentioned in my previous response to you. Their arguments invariably center on the failure of current scientific hypotheses to explain creation of biological life; ergo, by their false logic, there must be a creator... I have already given you my view of that that kind of logic.

Here you go:

How design engineering shows God created life.

The title of this article talks about how engineering shows that God created life. The basis for this claim is straightforward. Consider information:

An information-controlled system needs to be designed by an intelligent being then built. Computers and computer driven machines such as cars and microwave ovens are controlled by a combination of hardware and software. The software is useless without the hardware. The hardware is useless without the software. There is a minimum level of completeness needed for both hardware and software before either can function properly. Engineers understand that it is impossible for unguided, gradual, step-by-step processes to provide the required minimal level of completeness to build an information processor.

Living cells also have a complex body of information and special hardware to use it. Just as with computers, the information and hardware need to appear fully formed simultaneously. This requires design then fabrication. However, in a cell the complexity observed for both the information stored in its DNA and the cellular hardware to read it far exceeds anything a man can design. This suggests that cellular information and supporting hardware are the result of design by a being with intelligence that greatly exceeds that of a man. It would be even more impossible to provide cellular information by gradual, random step-by-step processes in order to provide cellular life than for a computer. Yet, a biologist will refuse to acknowledge this train of thought, because it invalidates naturalism. To the biologist, evidence is not the issue. If any evidence appears to work against naturalism, it is rejected without analysis. This attitude represents fake science. Biologists become the true pseudoscientists when they act like this. They place their personally preferred, God-denying philosophy ahead of the observations of modern technology.

Man has elaborate tools available to fabricate the components of a computer. However, there are no tools available to convert a design for a living cell into actual living cells. Once living cells appear, they can make copies of themselves by replication. Tools are no longer needed. Tools for cellular fabrication would be extremely complicated. There is no basis to expect required tools to appear spontaneously in nature. This suggests that the Designer also had to have the ability to move individual atoms and molecules into precisely defined, dynamic relationships with each other in order to make the first living cells. I.e., the Designer needs to have the ability to work outside of natural law at will to make the first cells.

What do you call an extremely intelligent being who has the ability to work outside of nature at will, doing so as He places atoms and molecules into predetermined arrangements in order to make something according to a design?

You call Him God.

Excerpt from https://www.trbap.org/OOL.pdf
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[Illini Trader]

way to go student.... you nailed it.

 

[stu]

An information-controlled system needs to be designed by an intelligent being then built.

Then God whatever it is supposed to be, is not "an information-controlled system / intelligent being", unless it too was designed by another intelligent being, which in turn would require another intelligent... kinda like an ad infinitum infinite regress sorta thing

What do you call an extremely intelligent being who has the ability to work outside of nature at will, doing so as He places atoms and molecules into predetermined arrangements in order to make something according to a design?

If you're being sensible, you call it imaginary

yeah, way to go student lol.
Now if you'll excuse me after I butted in, I have an appointment with reality.

 

[themickey]

There's no doubt nature is mind boggling fantastic.
A creator? Imo very likely.
Evolution: There probably maybe is a creator, but life also evolves, humans get smarter, so do animals. Creatures adapt to their environments.

Bible prophesies: I take with a pinch of salt, the bible keeps getting modified, words and meanings changed, bits added, bits subtracted, stuff like Adam & Eve, Noahs ark, just nonsense. Stories embellished, Sampson with hair which gave him strength, pffffff!

As mentioned, humans from cradle to grave are bs artists and bible and christianity is part and parcel of human bs.

All this Revelation book nonsense, last book in the bible, cleverly engineered to put the shits up anyone not already cajoled into stupid fucking religion.

If there is a God, think of him as a gardener, using skills to nurture, not to vandalise his plot of fruit and veges.

Where does evil come from? Maybe from the same source of where good comes from, the more we take power, grow our power, the more arrogant and self pride, "pride comes before destruction (fall)".

 

[Illini Trader]

I have an appointment with reality.

You mean the MEDIC? I hope he gets there in time.

 

[Illini Trader]

Where does evil come from? Maybe from the same source of where good comes from, the more we take power, grow our power, the more arrogant and self pride, "pride comes before destruction".

Good Biblical observation Mickey, evil comes from the one who invented evil because of his pride -- satan --- created by God but then he wanted to be like God

 

[themickey]

Good Biblical observation Mickey, evil comes from the one who invented evil because of his pride -- satan --- created by God but then he wanted to be like God

Yes, but ok, lets assume a satan, he's still roaming about, still free.
As for humans, we have a bit of good in us and a bit of evil.
Maybe the evil in us comes from breaking universal laws, not from satan.
Lets assume pride (haughtiness) is part of a universal law, when we go down that path, like playing with/abusing electricity, we get a shock.