Your anti-capitalist argument is specious. First, you can't reallocate the wealth, it nets the poor almost nothing. Second, the MB owners and their ilk, in this country, even though much smaller in number, pay a larger proportion of the income tax burden than any other class. Third, how come the US Hispanic population are not in the "neo-slaves" as you wrongly call them? The answer is because of a culturally induced work ethic, not capitalistic economics.
A letter to Trent Lott
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I didn't call you a pussy....im calling you a dumb ass
What are you talking about???? i got to tell you bud, you are starting to scare me....You are really getting warped.....but you are a dumb ass...why?
How can you in good conscience post all this stuff about capitalistic pigs when you have almost 1700 post on a site devoted to the epitome of capitalism???? You are a trader like everyone else.....YOU personally F#CK! over the SMALL investor who has all his $$$ in a 401k or and investment account when you see a little bad news...you and other traders SHORT the crap out of the stock take it down to nothing, shake out some small mom and pop person who just wants to invest long term, and then you and others turn around and buy it back at reduced levels and trade it back up profiting all the way....How dare you sit there and condemn others you hypocritical piece of slime??? How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning? it's ok when capitalism favors you but when it favors others? You are what is wrong with this country...if i were you , I'd seriously take some long hard look at my life..you are no different then Kozwlowksy...he just did it on a grander scale....also moron, this is America, nobody dies of starvation here...we are the fatest country in the world and there's a thing called a shelter, ymca ect...the people you are referring to are drug addicts and i think you should join them in a little high ball tonight!
What are you talking about???? i got to tell you bud, you are starting to scare me....You are really getting warped.....but you are a dumb ass...why?
How can you in good conscience post all this stuff about capitalistic pigs when you have almost 1700 post on a site devoted to the epitome of capitalism???? You are a trader like everyone else.....YOU personally F#CK! over the SMALL investor who has all his $$$ in a 401k or and investment account when you see a little bad news...you and other traders SHORT the crap out of the stock take it down to nothing, shake out some small mom and pop person who just wants to invest long term, and then you and others turn around and buy it back at reduced levels and trade it back up profiting all the way....How dare you sit there and condemn others you hypocritical piece of slime??? How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning? it's ok when capitalism favors you but when it favors others? You are what is wrong with this country...if i were you , I'd seriously take some long hard look at my life..you are no different then Kozwlowksy...he just did it on a grander scale....also moron, this is America, nobody dies of starvation here...we are the fatest country in the world and there's a thing called a shelter, ymca ect...the people you are referring to are drug addicts and i think you should join them in a little high ball tonight!
"Listen to yourself. If you were forced into slavery during a time when you didn't have any rights, what else is there for you to do? You can either make the best of the situation or risk possibly getting shot while trying to escape."
...I guess you would agree with Bobby Knight who once said that when a woman is getting raped and she can't break free and she knows it's inevitable, why struggle? just sit back and enjoy the ride"?
do the world a favor and get drunk tonight and play with loaded firearms...preferably a double barrel shotgun.
...I guess you would agree with Bobby Knight who once said that when a woman is getting raped and she can't break free and she knows it's inevitable, why struggle? just sit back and enjoy the ride"?
do the world a favor and get drunk tonight and play with loaded firearms...preferably a double barrel shotgun.
You are really a fool. You mentioned the supposed "ease of being a slave" as a response to those that still hold the belief that black enslavement still has after effects today.
Say that to an african american who holds that view.
To try to diminish the impact of slavery, and the act of slavery is WARPED.
Listen to yourself... "Slavery was bad, BUT"
What exactly is your point? Remember, you claimed that since it wasn't that bad of a life, that many chose to stay. So slavery somehow wasn't bad, or as bad as we made it out to be?
Again, I jumped on you when you tried to diminish slavery AND it's after effects.
Then you go into some self-righteous rant about capitalism, poverty, etc.
What's your fucking point? Because bad stuff happens around the world, that african americans have no right to complain about discrimination/slavery?
The jews are still getting reparations from ww2, do you disagree with that as well? Where WOULD you draw the line for paying those back for suffering, from the coffers of those who benefited?
Are you wearing Nike's now? I'll bet 90% of your clothes come from sweatshops.
I even attempted to give you a fucking clue, by pointing out that extreme racial oppression, ala slavery days, has been going on since the 1960's. (Jim Crow)
So blacks have been getting blatantly publicly fucked as recently as 40 years ago. Does that deserve your belittling of their past strife?
My whole beef with you was your attempt to diminish the terrible live that slaves were FORCED to live.
I see where you come from now... insanity! You volunteer to both help the unfortunate, and volunteer to diminish their past struggles. You're beyond hypocritical, you're philosophically schizophrenic!
Please state how I've hidden behind political correctness.
You love throwing phrases around without actually thinking about their meaning.
As for being capitalist pigs... This coming from the you who first came on this board demanding to be told how to turn 5k into a million. Oh, and we really believe that your sole reason for displaying such ignorant greed, was to buy your parents a house and yourself a car. You'd love to live the "capitalist pig" lifestyle.
Do everyone here a favor, ask all the questions you want, but STOP offering your opinions on things you know NOTHING about, like HISTORY and TRADING.
Is that point blank enough for ya?
Say that to an african american who holds that view.
To try to diminish the impact of slavery, and the act of slavery is WARPED.
Listen to yourself... "Slavery was bad, BUT"
Some made the best of it, some risked death for freedom.
What exactly is your point? Remember, you claimed that since it wasn't that bad of a life, that many chose to stay. So slavery somehow wasn't bad, or as bad as we made it out to be?
Again, I jumped on you when you tried to diminish slavery AND it's after effects.
Then you go into some self-righteous rant about capitalism, poverty, etc.
What's your fucking point? Because bad stuff happens around the world, that african americans have no right to complain about discrimination/slavery?
The jews are still getting reparations from ww2, do you disagree with that as well? Where WOULD you draw the line for paying those back for suffering, from the coffers of those who benefited?
Are you wearing Nike's now? I'll bet 90% of your clothes come from sweatshops.
I even attempted to give you a fucking clue, by pointing out that extreme racial oppression, ala slavery days, has been going on since the 1960's. (Jim Crow)
So blacks have been getting blatantly publicly fucked as recently as 40 years ago. Does that deserve your belittling of their past strife?
My whole beef with you was your attempt to diminish the terrible live that slaves were FORCED to live.
I've volunteered in the past, but I don't brag about it. Especially after belittling someone's struggle.
I see where you come from now... insanity! You volunteer to both help the unfortunate, and volunteer to diminish their past struggles. You're beyond hypocritical, you're philosophically schizophrenic!
Pussy was the wrong word, you're just IGNORANT, NARROW-MINDED, and SHELTERED.
Please state how I've hidden behind political correctness.
You love throwing phrases around without actually thinking about their meaning.
As for being capitalist pigs... This coming from the you who first came on this board demanding to be told how to turn 5k into a million. Oh, and we really believe that your sole reason for displaying such ignorant greed, was to buy your parents a house and yourself a car. You'd love to live the "capitalist pig" lifestyle.
Do everyone here a favor, ask all the questions you want, but STOP offering your opinions on things you know NOTHING about, like HISTORY and TRADING.
Is that point blank enough for ya?
Say what to an African American? What's the point? Let's face it and just accept the truth that different races are separated by different attributes. We aren't all equal -- there, I said it. There are many ways that different races are different from other races, and it is only the FOOLS that suggest that everyone is equal and that it's ok not to stereotype.
That's just bullshit because we all stereotype on the most basic levels -- what separates the men from the boys is the ability to recognize your predisposition and biases and then learn to control them.
I'm not trying to suggest that slavery was ever a good thing. Sometimes society goes in the wrong direction -- just look at Adolf Hitler, the entire Nazi party during the third-reich and the causes of how Hitler came into power.
Black people aren't the only victims of slavery. You can easily find examples of hispanic slaves, anglo-saxon slaves, etc. However, slavery at it existed 100 years ago doesn't exist in the same form today -- but there are aspects of social-economic slavery throughout our society.
Perhaps in a few hundred years, people will look back at our own U.S. society and see an extreme form of social ugliness. Here we are the richest country in the world and we have millions -- that's right -- MILLIONS of kids and homeless people starving each day.
So naturally I get a little pissed off when African Americans start throwing shit fits about things that happened years ago and how we owe them "continuously" until the end of time.
Why not a WEP channel (White Entertainment Channel)
Why not a NAAPP (National Assoc. Adv. of Puerto-Rican People)
If I go apply for a job at the NAACP and get turned down, can I sue them for reverse discrimination?
What about the women who still get paid 72 cents to the dollar compared to men?
My point is that that everyone has something to bitch about except the creme-de-la-creme of society. What makes the black plight any more or less significant than the billions of chinese locked in a rice-shack while suffering from a communist dictator?
So in conclusion:
I made an grammatical error that, if you take 8 words out of an entire post, might make it seem that I somehow support slavery -- nothing could be further from the truth.
If my daughter brought home a black man to dinner, I'd be surprised. Does that make me a racist? Of course not -- but I can't help my initial reaction of, "What will the neighbor's think, does she really love him, etc" However, I'd temper those reactions with a realization of, "This is just something I'm not used to and it is my responsibility to accept the situation and understand it."
What if the tables were turned around and a black girl brought a white guy to dinner? You don't see many black girls with white guys, but you sure do see plenty of black guys with white guys -- why is that?
Am I dumb? Hardly -- but if you're going to press my buttons by directing attacks at me, I'm not going to pussy-foot the situation.
My original argument was that not all slaves were treated "poorly." Does this justify slavery? No it does not, but let's get all the facts about slavery before we begin making reparations towards a lot of African-Americans who are demanding it. Why should I pay something to the great-great-grandson of a slave just because my great-great-grandfather may have been a slave owner? This is the same reason why we currently have so much hatred in the world to begin with. Young Israel children are brought up being taught to hate muslims and vice-versa -- but what would a 5 year old have against another 5 year old except the shit adults are feeding them?
Because, if you really want to come full circle, every time you put on a pair of Abercrombie and Finch socks or put on a hat that shows your favorite baseball or basketball team, you are, in a roundabout way, supporting child-labor in some fashion.
The very basis of pure-capitalism is basically turning over society to pure social-darwinism and setting aside protections for those less fortunate or unable to find employment even though they may be able to work.
Pure capitalism is ugly -- Pure socialism is ugly. You need balance, that's my rant really. How does this pertain to slavery? Well, what do slaves do? They're basically the result of capitalism gone haywire.
Am I supposed to go out naked? There isn't too much I can buy that can't be traced back to something that would make most people cringe. That's the sad fact about life -- its like the hamburger you eat from Checkers or Mcdonalds. We want the taste of a good burger but does anyone really want to think about the big machine that drops a live cow into a gigantic meat-grinder and just grinds the thing to death so you can enjoy your #2 meal?
Racism is still present today. So is sexism -- in fact, it has probably shifted the course of our nation's politics. Women are still getting the shit end of the stick in the corporate world. The black kids still sit with other black kids at the cafeteria in high-schools and colleges. If they choose to sit with other black kids and I choose to sit with white kids, does that make us racists? Where do you draw the line? Maybe I have more in common with white people than I do black people -- is that racism?
Slavery is horrible, but let's not pretend it doesn't exist today. Why aren't we invading China to free sweat shops? Why aren't we running to all the third-world nations to help out the people who are forced into slavery each day against their will?
Exactly how much do I have to pay other black people? Shouldn't I be paying women, too -- since they've been discriminated against? Why don't we just put everyone in a big long line and ask them who's shit on them and ask them how much they'd like in return?
I'm sorry, but I just don't agree that all slaves were tortured or that African Americans should be entitled to any sort of easier ride today based solely on things that happened before many of us were born.
As far as Jews continuing to get reparations from World War II, I only hope that it isn't coming from other hard working people who had nothing to do with that ugly time period in history.
It's almost worthless to argue with you, but here you go, oh wise Buddha.
Only a fool wouldn't stereotype?
I didn't suggest everyone IS equal, you dolt...
I suggested that we don't TREAT everyone equally, and we should.
You think that stereotyping is ok?
LOL! Ok.
I'll continue to stereotype you as a spoiled, psuedo-intellectual child.
Tell a black guy that YOU don't think slavery was that big of a deal. Tell him that house boys had it easier than they would've in the jungles back in africa. Tell him that some slaves had it good. You'll get a fun reaction....
Either you agree that slavery led to today's current racist/prejudiced atmosphere, or you don't.
First, I've never heard anyone say we owe them "continuously over time". Quit exaggerating.
And quit saying "WE". You aren't a huge billion dollar corporation that started as a plantation and became an industry leader solely due to the huge flood of cheap slave labor.
HAHA! I'm not even going to try to explain that one to you, it's easy.... Here's a hint, it has to do with minority and majority. They don't teach it in highschool, so I'm not sure if you've been exposed to these high-end ideas and philosophies.
That one would be ok, can you figure out WHY?
Why would a naawp be wrong or "unneeded" (big hint there)
Since bobcathy thinks you're so smart, I'll let you figure this one out too.
The answer is the SAME for all three questions. All you need is easy logic.
Let's use your moronic argument for this one.
aphie sez:
"Who cares if women got oppressed in the past. I didn't do it, so we don't owe them SHIT.
They should quit complaining and do something about it."
1)They don't have to quit complaining.
2)They are trying to do "something" about it.
Why should it be significant to you? Sigh, you're soo flighty.
How does something that happened in the US affect you more than something that happened in china? It's only significant because the after effects are happening in YOUR backyard. You're almost a waste of my time. Can you even make a decent argument? Or stick to one argument at a time? Last post you turned your BELITTLEMENT of slavery into some capitalist rant. You can't even stay between the lines on this one.
There you go again, not reading and missing the point entirely.
You never said you supported slavery, you just said it wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. What's the point of saying that?
Well good for you. You have my vote for "Jesus", when the next elections come around.
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Only a fool wouldn't stereotype?
I didn't suggest everyone IS equal, you dolt...
I suggested that we don't TREAT everyone equally, and we should.
You think that stereotyping is ok?
LOL! Ok.
I'll continue to stereotype you as a spoiled, psuedo-intellectual child.
I really wish you could read.
Tell a black guy that YOU don't think slavery was that big of a deal. Tell him that house boys had it easier than they would've in the jungles back in africa. Tell him that some slaves had it good. You'll get a fun reaction....
Doing all that DMX is really messing up your mind. You mean to suggest we shouldn't treat people equally? I never said EVERYONE IS EQUAL. They should be.
Yeah, you just said slavery wasn't that bad. What a SAP! Way to dance around the question, you capitalist PIG!
Either you agree that slavery led to today's current racist/prejudiced atmosphere, or you don't.
First, I've never heard anyone say we owe them "continuously over time". Quit exaggerating.
And quit saying "WE". You aren't a huge billion dollar corporation that started as a plantation and became an industry leader solely due to the huge flood of cheap slave labor.
HAHA! I'm not even going to try to explain that one to you, it's easy.... Here's a hint, it has to do with minority and majority. They don't teach it in highschool, so I'm not sure if you've been exposed to these high-end ideas and philosophies.
That one would be ok, can you figure out WHY?
Why would a naawp be wrong or "unneeded" (big hint there)
Wow, you really thought you had 3 intelligent angles here.. Too bad they all fall apart on the same premise.
Since bobcathy thinks you're so smart, I'll let you figure this one out too.
The answer is the SAME for all three questions. All you need is easy logic.
Let's use your moronic argument for this one.
aphie sez:
"Who cares if women got oppressed in the past. I didn't do it, so we don't owe them SHIT.
They should quit complaining and do something about it."
1)They don't have to quit complaining.
2)They are trying to do "something" about it.
Why should it be significant to you? Sigh, you're soo flighty.
How does something that happened in the US affect you more than something that happened in china? It's only significant because the after effects are happening in YOUR backyard. You're almost a waste of my time. Can you even make a decent argument? Or stick to one argument at a time? Last post you turned your BELITTLEMENT of slavery into some capitalist rant. You can't even stay between the lines on this one.
There you go again, not reading and missing the point entirely.
You never said you supported slavery, you just said it wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. What's the point of saying that?
Well good for you. You have my vote for "Jesus", when the next elections come around.
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hahaha! Nice attempt at a deep argument, but this one is easy.
How smart are you again?
Slavery created a difference in cultures. You've been sheltered and have only been exposed to white people, so you're afraid of what you do not know.
Far be it from you to actually try to bridge the gap. No, you'd rather say things like "slaves didn't have it that bad" and "not all slaves were tortured" (both true statements, but why is that worth pointing out?)
No, you're naive, and you have a poor information set.
I'm sure you are intelligent, but intelligence is nothing without common sense. Common sense comes from life experience and an ability to think outside the box... Something you lack.
So the FACTS we have are a lie? Was it more good than bad so they don't deserve anything?? Laughable argument. So again, you're belittling the whole experience, and negating any effects that it still is responsible for today?
Your original argument justifies NOTHING. Its called "talking out your ass"
If you are a huge corporation, built originally on slavery, you might end up owing something. Other than that, your worry about some bogus "reparation tax" is a fucking joke. Again, you talk about stuff that you know nothing about. You debate some philosophies that don't really apply to the actual situation.
This wasn't about me, it was about YOU. YOU were the one calling us capitalist pigs and extolling the woes of today's slave labor while swimming in the excesses of that labor.
There you go AGAIN! Acting like you know everything when you don't have a clue. Why don't you shop for food and clothes at a co-op? There are TONS of places to get eco and labor friendly goods, but you wouldn't know about any of them because you don't REALLY CARE enough about these issues to actually search them out.
I don't know, DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT?
Are you vegan or vegetarian?
You love to talk the talk but NEVER walk the walk.
And slavery started all of it. It makes no sense for you to belittle the thing that caused all this bullshit in the first place. It doesn't help that you get pissed off when people speak of reparations. You are part of the problem.
So women should quit bitching about the past and try to work to correct it now?
1)They don't have to forget the past
2)They are working to correct it
Obviously that's not racism... You need me to explain this to you? Slavery led to prejudice and racism, which kept cultures separate. You perpetuate it because blacks make you uncomfortable.
Let me get this straight. You'd support WAR WITH CHINA to fix problems?? That's insane. I hope you don't stick to that risk/reward ratio when you trade, or you'll blow up FAST!
Please, please, never run for public office.
There you go again, exposing your complete ignorance of the world. The U.S. has THOUSANDS of international AND domestic relief agencies.
You'd never join the peace corps though, because you don't actually care enough about the issues to do anything about it.
Quit taking the high ground when you've never climbed there yourself.
Don't worry, you selfish, ignorant fool. There's no reparation tax waiting to bankrupt you, so your 2k is safe until you give it to me in the ES market.
The fact that they weren't all tortured HAS NO RELEVANCE!!
Secondly, this "easier ride" you speak of is not solely BASED on things that happened years before you were born.
Did your parents freedom ride in the south? Did they protest Jim Crow laws? Just because it STARTED long ago, that doesn't mean your life was never touched by it.
Again, you'd know something about this if you'd actually ever looked into it.. Do you read the paper? Do you watch the news? Or do you just go on "hearsay" to develop your arguments?
