81 Research Studies Confirm Natural Immunity to COVID ‘Equal’ or ‘Superior’

[gwb-trading]

I thought we had established antibodies isn't the best metric for acquired immunity, just one of the few available?

FWIW, I don't believe the science definitively supports your assertion either. I've seen reputable studies backing both hypothesis (Tony's and yours).

Ideally, government should've taken the wait and see approach on the healed. Since 40% of the population is in a cult of personality, I can see why they would downplay natural immunity for fear of said cultists having bug chasing parties in lieu of vaccination, risking overloading our hospitals, plus possibly of variants developing

And let's discuss -- once again -- in-depth why Covid vaccines are much better than "natural immunity". It's time to drive the points home.

No, your antibodies are not better than vaccination: An explainer
Infection does offer some immune protection—but it's unreliable compared with vaccines.
https://arstechnica.com/science/202...tion-why-everyone-should-get-a-covid-19-shot/

In one study Ars reported on back in June of last year, researchers looking at SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in people who had recovered found that the difference between the highest and lowest levels varied by a factor of over 1,000. The researchers saw even more variability when they looked at neutralizing antibodies—those known to bind to the virus and prevent it from infecting cells. Neutralizing antibody levels in recovered people varied over a range of 40,000-fold, and up to 20 percent of people didn't have any detectable level of neutralizing antibody.


Let's also read the large bolded print below... Nearly 40% of people don't have antibody protection which lasts 6 months to stop reinfection with Covid.

From the article:

From the analysis, the researchers created five categories based on how long antibodies lasted in an individual.

The first category, called the "negative" group, included the individuals who never developed detectable neutralizing antibodies. This group comprised 11.6% of participants.

Comprising 26.8% of patients, the second group is called the "rapid waning" group and showed varying early levels of antibodies that waned quickly. The third category comprised 29% of participants and was called the "slow waning" group as these patients tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 for up to half a year.

The fourth group, called the "persistent" group, comprised 31.7% of patients and showed little change in their antibody levels up to 180 days. The last group, or the "delayed response" group, covered only 1.8% of subjects and included those who showed a marked rise in neutralizing antibodies during late convalescence.

Individual COVID-19 Antibodies Could Last Days To Decades, Scientists Find
https://www.ibtimes.com/individual-...uld-last-days-decades-scientists-find-3168292

 

[Tony Stark]

I think the first bolded is problematic, I'm not sure we can definitively say that. I know far more people who have been vaccinated than having gotten sick to begin with, which is why relying on anecdotes is iffy at best.

I agree and has been my position that if natural infection confers statistically comparable immunity to the worst vaccine available, then vaccination should be optional to that population (government wise).

I think the biggest benefit to the vaccine is preventing a bad case of covid rather than preventing getting covid.

Just 6-8 months after being vaccinated they want you to get vaccinated again with a booster shot.Its been over a year and a half since I had covid and the natrual immunity is still protecting me as I haven't gotten it again.I know many others as well who got covid in the beginning and still haven't gotten it a second time.I haven't even had a cold or the flu since I had covid.

 

[Tony Stark]

As outlined in the Phase 3 data -- all three vaccines used in the U.S. (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J) generated anti-bodies after immunization in all the subjects of the trial. You would have to think that vaccines would be pretty useless if they failed to do this.

What % of people in the trails got the shots and still got covid?

 

[Tony Stark]

And let's discuss -- once again -- in-depth why Covid vaccines are much better than "natural immunity". It's time to drive the points home.

No, your antibodies are not better than vaccination: An explainer
Infection does offer some immune protection—but it's unreliable compared with vaccines.
https://arstechnica.com/science/202...tion-why-everyone-should-get-a-covid-19-shot/

In one study Ars reported on back in June of last year, researchers looking at SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in people who had recovered found that the difference between the highest and lowest levels varied by a factor of over 1,000. The researchers saw even more variability when they looked at neutralizing antibodies—those known to bind to the virus and prevent it from infecting cells. Neutralizing antibody levels in recovered people varied over a range of 40,000-fold, and up to 20 percent of people didn't have any detectable level of neutralizing antibody.


Let's also read the large bolded print below... Nearly 40% of people don't have antibody protection which lasts 6 months to stop reinfection with Covid.

From the article:

From the analysis, the researchers created five categories based on how long antibodies lasted in an individual.

The first category, called the "negative" group, included the individuals who never developed detectable neutralizing antibodies. This group comprised 11.6% of participants.

Comprising 26.8% of patients, the second group is called the "rapid waning" group and showed varying early levels of antibodies that waned quickly. The third category comprised 29% of participants and was called the "slow waning" group as these patients tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 for up to half a year.

The fourth group, called the "persistent" group, comprised 31.7% of patients and showed little change in their antibody levels up to 180 days. The last group, or the "delayed response" group, covered only 1.8% of subjects and included those who showed a marked rise in neutralizing antibodies during late convalescence.

Individual COVID-19 Antibodies Could Last Days To Decades, Scientists Find
https://www.ibtimes.com/individual-...uld-last-days-decades-scientists-find-3168292

Antibody test don't match real world results imo.

 

[gwb-trading]

What % of people in the trails got the shots and still got covid?

Let's take a look at a much broader dataset than the trials; the KFF vaccinated breakthrough rate by state or the CDC data on vaccinated breakthrough rate. The CDC and KFF data covering millions of people in the U.S. and the vaccinated breakthrough cases. The maximum vaccinated breakthrough rate in any state is around 0.56% and most states are below 0.2%

 

[Tony Stark]

Let's take a look at a much broader dataset than the trials; the KFF vaccinated breakthrough rate by state or the CDC data on vaccinated breakthrough rate. The CDC and KFF data covering millions of people in the U.S. and the vaccinated breakthrough cases. The maximum vaccinated breakthrough rate in any state is around 0.56% and most states are below 0.2%

Lets look at the trails where it is documented under rigorous medical supervision who got the shot and than got covid.

What % of people in the trails got the shots and still got covid?

 

[Cuddles]

And let's discuss -- once again -- in-depth why Covid vaccines are much better than "natural immunity". It's time to drive the points home.

No, your antibodies are not better than vaccination: An explainer
Infection does offer some immune protection—but it's unreliable compared with vaccines.
https://arstechnica.com/science/202...tion-why-everyone-should-get-a-covid-19-shot/

In one study Ars reported on back in June of last year, researchers looking at SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in people who had recovered found that the difference between the highest and lowest levels varied by a factor of over 1,000. The researchers saw even more variability when they looked at neutralizing antibodies—those known to bind to the virus and prevent it from infecting cells. Neutralizing antibody levels in recovered people varied over a range of 40,000-fold, and up to 20 percent of people didn't have any detectable level of neutralizing antibody.


Let's also read the large bolded print below... Nearly 40% of people don't have antibody protection which lasts 6 months to stop reinfection with Covid.

From the article:

From the analysis, the researchers created five categories based on how long antibodies lasted in an individual.

The first category, called the "negative" group, included the individuals who never developed detectable neutralizing antibodies. This group comprised 11.6% of participants.

Comprising 26.8% of patients, the second group is called the "rapid waning" group and showed varying early levels of antibodies that waned quickly. The third category comprised 29% of participants and was called the "slow waning" group as these patients tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 for up to half a year.

The fourth group, called the "persistent" group, comprised 31.7% of patients and showed little change in their antibody levels up to 180 days. The last group, or the "delayed response" group, covered only 1.8% of subjects and included those who showed a marked rise in neutralizing antibodies during late convalescence.

Individual COVID-19 Antibodies Could Last Days To Decades, Scientists Find
https://www.ibtimes.com/individual-...uld-last-days-decades-scientists-find-3168292

You can drive points home all you want, we've gone over this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04060-7
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.abi6950
https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/30...fferences-in-covid-antibody-responses-emerge/

 

[gwb-trading]

You can drive points home all you want, we've gone over this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04060-7
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.abi6950
https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/30...fferences-in-covid-antibody-responses-emerge/

So are you going to be like Jem --- try to claim that in an individual who has no measurable anti-bodies that somehow T-Cells will magically appear and fight off Covid re-infection --- due to their "natural immunity". Let me assure you this is not true -- and has no basis in science.

Bottom Line: If you have no measurable anti-bodies from either vaccination or previous infection then you are not immune to the disease. This is why they use anti-body level tests to prove if you are immune to a virus.

 

[Cuddles]

So are you going to be like Jem --- try to claim that in an individual who has no measurable anti-bodies that somehow T-Cells will magically appear and fight off Covid re-infection --- due to their "natural immunity". Let me assure you this is not true -- and has no basis in science.

Bottom Line: If you have no measurable anti-bodies from either vaccination or previous infection then you are not immune to the disease. This is why they use anti-body level tests to prove if you are immune to a virus.

It's time you stop spreading misinformation, have you no shame?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/n...obust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines
https://theconversation.com/covid-1...lasts-and-works-against-virus-variants-166757

 

[gwb-trading]

It's time you stop spreading misinformation, have you no shame?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00436-4
https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/n...obust-tcell-response-to-mrna-covid19-vaccines
https://theconversation.com/covid-1...lasts-and-works-against-virus-variants-166757

So -- let's ask once again -- it is your position that if f you have no measurable anti-bodies from either vaccination or previous infection then you are immune to a disease. Because of "magical T-Cells".

Explain to us then why they don't use a "T-Cell detection test" then to determine if you are immune to a disease when you go to the doctor.