81 Research Studies Confirm Natural Immunity to COVID ‘Equal’ or ‘Superior’

[Tony Stark]

why do they need to be known public figures?

Something other than internet hearsay.If a politition like wheels Abbott or an NFL,NBA or MLB athlete gets covid twice we know it is likely ligit and more credible than a neighbor of someone on the internet who probably had a cold or the flu and thought it was covid.

The guy from your link who tested positive in a month was probably the same infection imo.

The legislator I believe is ligit but a very special case as he got covid a second time after already having it and being vaccinated.

Doja cat is an attention whore who I doubt had it the first time.

 

[Cuddles]

Something other than internet hearsay.If a politition like wheels Abbott or an NFL,NBA or MLB athlete gets covid twice we know it is likely ligit and more credible than a neighbor of someone on the internet who probably had a cold or the flu and thought it was covid.

The guy from your link who tested positive in a month was probably the same infection imo.

The legislator I believe is ligit but a very special case as he got covid a second time after already having it and being vaccinated.

Doja cat is an attention whore who I doubt had it the first time.

I don't know... seems like a silly metric. I know far more people that are vaccinated than have had COVID so I'm bound to know more people reinfected after the vaccine than reinfected after COVID. FWIW, I think .gov has downplayed the efficacy of natural immunity, but it's not like scientists are lying about reinfection:

https://medicine.missouri.edu/news/study-finds-covid-19-reinfection-rate-less-1-those-severe-illness

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...t=The incidence density per 100,CI, 0.06-0.08).

 

[Tony Stark]

I don't know... seems like a silly metric. I know far more people that are vaccinated than have had COVID so I'm bound to know more people reinfected after the vaccine than reinfected after COVID. FWIW, I think .gov has downplayed the efficacy of natural immunity, but it's not like scientists are lying about reinfection:

https://medicine.missouri.edu/news/study-finds-covid-19-reinfection-rate-less-1-those-severe-illness

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2780557#:~:text=The incidence density per 100,CI, 0.06-0.08).

I'm not saying reinfection does not happen,just that its less than 1 % and better protection than the vaccine.

My postion is if you have never had covid you should get vaccainted.If you have already had covid there is no need to.

I have base my postion on not knowing a single person who has gotten covid twice while knowing a few who have gotten covid after being vaccinated and I think the sports world is a great real world comparison of which is more effective between immunity after covid and the vaccine as athletes are constantly tested and have to miss games if they test positive.So far many vaccinated athletes have tested positive and had to miss games,not one has had to miss a game for a 2nd case of covid

 

[Cuddles]

I'm not saying reinfection does not happen,just that its less than 1 % and better protection than the vaccine.

My postion is if you have never had covid you should get vaccainted.If you have already had covid there is no need to.

I have base my postion on not knowing a single person who has gotten covid twice while knowing a few who have gotten covid after being vaccinated and I think the sports world is a great real world comparison of which is more effective between immunity after covid and the vaccine as athletes are constantly tested and have to miss games if they test positive.So far many vaccinated athletes have tested positive and had to miss games,not one has had to miss a game for a 2nd case of covid

I think the first bolded is problematic, I'm not sure we can definitively say that. I know far more people who have been vaccinated than having gotten sick to begin with, which is why relying on anecdotes is iffy at best.

I agree and has been my position that if natural infection confers statistically comparable immunity to the worst vaccine available, then vaccination should be optional to that population (government wise).

 

[gwb-trading]

I think the first bolded is problematic, I'm not sure we can definitively say that. I know far more people who have been vaccinated than having gotten sick to begin with, which is why relying on anecdotes is iffy at best.

I agree and has been my position that if natural infection confers statistically comparable immunity to the worst vaccine available, then vaccination should be optional to that population (government wise).

However --- even the J&J vaccine outperforms "natural immunity". Especially since 100% of people demonstrate anti-bodies directly after vaccination, and nearly 20% of those naturally infected don't demonstrate any anti-bodies after being infected. As noted in multiple studies.

 

[Cuddles]

However --- even the J&J vaccine outperforms "natural immunity". Especially since 100% of people demonstrate anti-bodies directly after vaccination, and nearly 20% of those naturally infected don't demonstrate any anti-bodies after being infected. As noted in multiple studies.

I thought we had established antibodies isn't the best metric for acquired immunity, just one of the few available?

FWIW, I don't believe the science definitively supports your assertion either. I've seen reputable studies backing both hypothesis (Tony's and yours).

Ideally, government should've taken the wait and see approach on the healed. Since 40% of the population is in a cult of personality, I can see why they would downplay natural immunity for fear of said cultists having bug chasing parties in lieu of vaccination, risking overloading our hospitals, plus possibly of variants developing

 

[Tony Stark]

However --- even the J&J vaccine outperforms "natural immunity". Especially since 100% of people demonstrate anti-bodies directly after vaccination, and nearly 20% of those naturally infected don't demonstrate any anti-bodies after being infected. As noted in multiple studies.

I think real world results are better than anti body tests.When the vaccines were being tested for FDA approval none came close to being 99% effective.In the real world virtually no one gets covid twice while many vaccinated people get covid.

 

[Tony Stark]

However --- even the J&J vaccine outperforms "natural immunity". Especially since 100% of people demonstrate anti-bodies directly after vaccination, and nearly 20% of those naturally infected don't demonstrate any anti-bodies after being infected. As noted in multiple studies.

What were the test results from J&J when they were testing for FDA emergency approval?

 

[gwb-trading]

What were the test results from J&J when they were testing for FDA emergency approval?

As outlined in the Phase 3 data -- all three vaccines used in the U.S. (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J) generated anti-bodies after immunization in all the subjects of the trial. You would have to think that vaccines would be pretty useless if they failed to do this.

 

[gwb-trading]

I think real world results are better than anti body tests.When the vaccines were being tested for FDA approval none came close to being 99% effective.In the real world virtually no one gets covid twice while many vaccinated people get covid.

Efficacy (which is not effectiveness) is totally different than demonstrating vaccination generates anti-bodies.