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Obama coming into office with a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit,2 wars with hundreds of thousands of troops overseas and the worst economy since the great depression had a lot to do with that.

This is the correct way to judge a president’s performance on our national finances.

You have to look at the economy and deficit a president inherited and judge it against the economy and deficit he left. It is imperfect, but the only way to make an objective judgment.

It’s not only Obama, by and large democrat presidents perform better with our national finances. This isn’t because democrats have some secret sauce or get lucky, it’s because they tend to rely on governing principles based on sound economics. Republicans tend to deregulate and implement unsound tax policies which lead to overheating the economy leading to recession and growing deficits. I don’t expect any less from Trump.
 
And, let's not forget his impact on toppling the Soviet Union (back when liberals loved Russia). :strong:

Regan said tear down that wall in 1987. Of course that is what did the trick.

Glasnost and perestroika has been started a bit before and there were scores of internal factors but yeah, why not re-write history. Have Hollywood play Matthew McConaughey as Regan saving the world from the commies and capturing the enigma machine from the Nazis in 1985.
 
Regan said tear down that wall in 1987. Of course that is what did the trick.

Glasnost and perestroika has been started a bit before and there were scores of internal factors but yeah, why not re-write history. Have Hollywood play Matthew McConaughey as Regan saving the world from the commies and capturing the enigma machine from the Nazis in 1985.

Even Russian historians fully credit Reagan for driving the final nails into the coffin of the Soviet Union. You should follow their lead instead of attempting to re-write and deny history.
 
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Regan said tear down that wall in 1987. Of course that is what did the trick.

Glasnost and perestroika has been started a bit before and there were scores of internal factors but yeah, why not re-write history. Have Hollywood play Matthew McConaughey as Regan saving the world from the commies and capturing the enigma machine from the Nazis in 1985.
Wrong again. Your hatred of the United States and low IQ cannot change history. BTW, where do you live again?
 
So I see slart is acting as a deficit hawk. Odd for a lefty but he is different than the dnc trolls so I will accept that he might really care about budget deficits.

So... before we start raising taxes should we not be making sure the FED reserve is not creating trillions of dollars. If you are letting someone else create and spend a trillion dollars or more a year... does it not seem odd to be raising taxes others under the guise of keeping the budge close to balanced.

Is it not unfair to let them spend a trillion or half a trillion or 13 trillion to keep their cronies friends in power while raising taxes to pretend we need to keep the budget near balance.

I am all for a balanced budget in a world where a trillion dollars is not created by some private bankers for their private benefit.

But... if we wish to give them the private benefit... don't make me pay taxes on top of it.
 
Even Russian historians fully credit Reagan for driving the final nails into the coffin of the Soviet Union. You should follow their lead instead of attempting to re-write and deny history.

Russian historians? I'm sure there is one or two who makes mention of him favorably. Please give a name though? Reagan was out of office when the wall came down and a lot more had to do with Poland & Lech Walesa. Regan was not insignificant, he was pally with Gorbachev and that helped but the St. Regan revisionism is bullshit. The US contributed a lot of pressure but constant intellectual & propaganda pressure from the various European nations should be credited for a lot. Would Regan have stayed the course without Maggie for example?

Regan was the visibly aged leader of a lame duck administration clouded by scandal and corruption, Iran-Contra in particular when he made the tear down the wall speech. Which was not very well covered in the global media as he was a senile joke to most of the world at the time.

One could credit Carter for sneakily letting the Russians into Afghanistan unopposed :) They bit off more than they could chew there and that demoralised them greatly. Or you could say point out what stupid fucker(s) sided/funded the Mujahedin, setting up the Taliban..

My girlfriend's grandfather back then was involved in you name it military programs from the 50s thru the early 90s. He worked at area 51 for years (allegedly) ;). The events of 1989 were a surprise to them and they were the spook's spooks.

I understand the attachment to the 80s as you guys got to wallow in greed but get real crediting Regan so much with the collapse of the USSR. The Soviets had a large part in their own demise, Brezhnev the fault much of this.
 
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Yes, Walter Mondale for the Dems, what a tiger he was and running with a female VP might have been a bit ahead of his time.

I recall he was from Minnesota? I recon Tom B is from there as he has that special kind of stupid you get in Minnesota.

I quite liked Regan in reality, most did. Regan would be a liberal by 2017 GOP standards anyway. What I don't like is giving credit where it is not due but he did not make himself a mythical figure.
 
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