16 years 9 months, crazy fast global warming

Facts:
1. CO2 also lags the cooling phase in both the long term and short term data. See the studies I have linked to on ET and See Salby's graphs... there is no dispute right now.
2, NASA says CO2 is one of the most efficient coolants in the atmosphere.
3. NASA says CO2 works as if it is a thermostat cooling when it warms and warms when it cools.

Speculation....

As the co2 itself gets thicker and the cloud cover it may cause gets thicker (consistent with the NASA study) its starts to block more of Suns energy out then the energy it blocks back down to earth.

So towards the end of the cycle the more co2 you put out the more cooling it can cause or the more warming it blocks.


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Speculative summary
If we grant that the release of co2 helps warming up the earth... it is just as likely that at some point we go past the tipping point and adding co2 knocks us back into a cooling phase.
Fact: CO2... lags warming and cooling in the long and short term data.

Speculation:
AGW speculation... CO2 amplifies warming after the start of the warming cycle
Anthropogenic Global Cooling (AGC) speculation... CO2 amplifies cooling at the start of the down cycle
Therefore just like with aeorsols man could be causing cooling.

Sad Fact:
There is no science saying AGW is better speculation than AGC.









futurecurrents said:
CO2 didn't initiate warming from past ice ages but it did amplify the warming. In fact, about 90% of the global warming followed the CO2 increase.

During this period, CO2 and temperatures are closely correlated, which means they rise and fall together. However, based on Antarctic ice core data, changes in CO2 follow changes in temperatures by about 600 to 1000 years. This has led some to conclude that CO2 simply cannot be responsible for current global warming.


This statement does not tell the whole story. The initial changes in temperature during this period are explained by changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun, which affects the amount of seasonal sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface. In the case of warming, the lag between temperature and CO2 is explained as follows: as ocean temperatures rise, oceans release CO2 into the atmosphere. In turn, this release amplifies the warming trend, leading to yet more CO2 being released. In other words, increasing CO2 levels become both the cause and effect of further warming. This positive feedback is necessary to trigger the shifts between glacials and interglacials as the effect of orbital changes is too weak to cause such variation. Additional positive feedbacks which play an important role in this process include other greenhouse gases, and changes in ice sheet cover and vegetation patterns.
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futurecurrents said:
Oh wow Lucrum, one year? Maybe with twenty more like that it will be back to normal!

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Spare us the propaganda pajama boy... that's only 33 years even if it is accurate. So "back to normal" is totally irrelevant on that time frame. It would be like looking at one second bars for the history of a stock.

Of course, you completely ignored the central point of my post which was that the BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013. Which is the same kind of delusional, alarmist nonsense you're obsessed with posting. Because you're a useful idiot troll with zero integrity.

P.S. Lucrum? You can't get anything right, can you? :D
 
Ricter said:
Lol, quite.
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Poor rectum, too stupid to realize on your own that "back to normal" is totally irrelevant on a 33 year time frame. :(

I'd give you a one second bar/stock history analogy but after outing you for lying about trading I doubt you'd get it.
 
Anyone who was paying the slightest bit of attention 30 years ago knows that "global cooling" was all the rage...

Cavuto: When I first became a global warming 'doubter'
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-...to-when-i-first-became-global-warming-doubter

I don't know how you feel about this global warming issue.

But I first became a doubter when they re-branded the issue and started calling it climate change.

It was brilliant on environmentalists' part because it covered any contingency. Warming, cooling, raining, misting, everything.

After all, climate's always changing, so try arguing that one.

But let's remember how all this started.

With dire predictions of warmer winters and soon, no winters, and if we didn't do anything about it, no us either.

So forget about whether they were calling it global warming then or climate change now, we, mankind had to do something about it, and fast.

But wait a minute. I think I've heard this dire talk before. Not about the earth warming, about the earth cooling.

Thirty-something years ago it was all the rage. And I should know, thirty-something years ago today I graduated high school. (do you really think I'm going to tell you the exact number) Did any of us look like the world was about to end? I didn't know it. And look at my mom and dad? Do they look like they knew it?

Thank god Leonard Nimoy knew it, and in this super scary TV special back in May 1978, Spock wasn't afraid to say it.

"The next Ice Age is on its way and could come sooner than anyone had expected. At weather stations in the far north temperatures have been dropping for 30 years. According to some climatologists, within a lifetime we might be living in the next Ice Age"

Is it over?

But it wasn't over, and it didn't stop with Spock. I'm telling you this was the whole 1970s. I lived through it!

And all this time you thought all I had to worry about was leisure suits.

Try this not so leisurely warning on May 21,1975, from the New York Times warning about "a major cooling ahead."

Or this time magazine cover from December. 3, 1973 warning about "The Big Freeze."

And in case anyone missed it, this other Time Magazine cover. Different picture. Same warning, January 31, 1977.

And just in case anyone missed those, a cozy Christmas cover, heralding, "The Cooling of America."

Not to be out-done, rival Newsweek on April 28, 1975 detailed ominous signs of "The Cooling World," including this uplifting nugget, "If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic."

So now I'm freezing and starving!

No Yodels. No Ring Dings. No anything!

Food gone. Freeze on.

Everyone reported it. Nobody questioned it. The entire scientific community in lockstep with it. And doubters were idiots if they denied it.

Governments had better get cracking, or humans would be all but frozen in their evolutionary tracks.

Well? Not quite.

So maybe that's why me and my parents didn't look so panicked back then.

Maybe that's why you didn't see one strand of my Lego hair out of place back then.

We weren't oblivious. We were onto this.

But that was then.

We wouldn't be so stupid now.

Or would we?
 
American Geophysical Union

"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5
 
American Meteorological Society

"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
 
American Physical Society

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8
 
The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9
 
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