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I agree we were unprepared. CDC screwed up their tests. But, would testing have made a difference? If you think testing would have made a difference Then there are only very limited goldilocks scenarios in which blanket shutdown is the right call with this virus and testing and tracing is...

you don't know that any policy as failed. you are measuring what? is economic impact in your measurement. domestic violence, depression, alcoholism what? even if its soley deaths... you will have to wait for a while before you know. Delaying deaths may not delay the total deaths. finally...

And your side has not provided any useful stats to create a useful and trustworthy model either. As I said in the beginning it was all guesswork and bullshit if you don't know how many people have been exposed. To support this country wide ban there should have been hundreds of tests run around...

how do you know what data has been going into their models? WTF? This is like religion to your side and the mass media. How can you have so much faith in your model when it over estimated deaths and need for beds so dramatically. Surely you must understand either your side had no idea about...

This is a litmus test.. https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/18/coronavirus-san-clemente-fills-skate-park-with-37-tons-of-sand-to-block-skaters/ . A skate park in San Clemente, CA, was filled with 37 tons of sand by local authorities to block skaters from using it during the coronavirus...

So... some of you did see the issue. Tree slayed the answer. Thank you for explaining that because I was wondering. just to recap the issues i saw... The article spoke of antibody tests and a group of people who had exhibited as symptom in the last month... making one think the point of...

so... spot the potential bullshit here. https://www.foxnews.com/science/third-blood-samples-massachusetts-study-coronavirus One third of participants in Massachusetts study tested positive for antibodies linked to coronavirus Around a third of participants in a Massachusetts study tested...

I just read on another thread 60 percent of the sailors on that carrier tested positive yet have no symptoms.

you post neo communist shit... because you love soros... (and he wants concentrated power in remote govts... whatever he wishes to call it. ) and when you are called out for your ridiculous statement.. you turn into an ass clown... time and time again. --- When you type western democracy...

So far Stanfords experts have been getting this correct. now... they are explaining virus could be more widespread.. which if true challenges the assumptions used for the lockdown. https://spectator.us/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-more-widespread-realized/ POLITICS US POLITICS...

I think the prudent political play for Trump is to take no risks. Say that he is leaving it up to the states... and he mobilizing everything towards what the experts say... so he is working on cures, vaccines and testing with all his might. Being in favor of a quick re-opening may be being...

On bloomberg this morning they were interviewing a former head of British Health or something like that. when asked if testing and tracing would be more useful in outlying areas vs say central London... I believe he said its starting to look like this disease has an RO of less than 1, hence...

what a truly dangerous statement you support and Soros made. It is the opposite of the approach used by the classical liberals who founded America and led the West to democracy and freedom from Monarchs and Govt tyranny. If the Founders of America believed what you believe we in the US would...

perfect post... although I doubt the narrative spouters mental filters will let them accept what you just posted. The crap the experts are telling is logically inconsistent to the point its offensive to anyone who thinks about it. If the disease hides for 14 days and half the people don't...

you naturally get a lower RO as you get herd immunity. Now, what if have much lower RO on people healthy immune systems vs with a an unhealthy immune system. You could reopen if you reopen to the healthy. essentially you need to think in ROs of the subset. Plus until you do antibody tests and...

Ok.. so the reason is that Germany can open is because they know their death rate is far below 1. so my 2d and 3rd choices above seem to apply. There data looks a lot like the data I saw in San Diego last week. (The testing would not be cause them to open if they had a high RO and lots of...

how can Germany know it can hold RO to less than one without knowing you have accurate antibody tests. accurate testing is mostly an illusion until you have millions and millions of accurate antibody tests. (or until you have herd immunity) so that is just an aspiration or propaganda. they...

i have to agree with you on that. The FED is creating trillions and trillions and these sobs cant grant 1500 a month UBI? if we are going to be electing democrats... the democrats need to stand up here and do something useful. and we should be talking about vouchers for health care so we...

I was cite myself for what Judicial Reivew and Scrutiny is... I present the wiki article for those who needed to understand what it is without taking Constitutional law or Civ pro.

I am far from a Trump drone. You all fail to understand the nuance of someone who loves the constitution and liberty and despises the fact the establishment gives us the worst of the left and the right in furtherance of the desires of the global elite. For instance per the Constitution I think...