Zimmerman's Bloody Head

[RCG Trader]

Quote from Epic:

Not legally. Any permit holder can carry a LOADED gun. Also, according to the only account we have, Zimmerman didn't make a move for the weapon until he was being beaten. His move was for his phone to call police again when he was hit.

Also, given the length of the screams for help, that was plenty of time to unholster a weapon, turn off the safety, and fire. For some reason you seem to think that it is some tedious chore to press the safety. It is specifically designed to be able to easily do it with your trigger finger immediately before firing. It takes a fraction of a second even in a struggle. You can almost do it in a single motion.

And yes, you can remove the safety and pull the trigger in a nearly fluid motion.

Again, my question was, why was he carrying if he a was a neighborhood watchman. I have done that job, and if I see something, I will act as if I didn't see anything, duck out, and call 911.
Zimmerman was a cowboy, and I think he fucked up.

 

[Epic]

Quote from gwb-trading:

This version (which I never heard before - Do you have a source?) sounds totally incorrect. Zimmerman's 911 call with police shows that he got out of his vehicle and followed Martin on foot. You can hear the chimes of the door opening in the 911 tape as he got out. Never in the 911 tape is there any evidence that there was any type of verbal exchange while Zimmerman was in the vehicle, if there was then it would be overheard on the 911 taope. Zimmerman's vehicle was parked up by the mailboxes, he walked/ran to the site of the shooting.

Read it again. The account that I posted is what supposedly happened after the 911 call you refer to.

Zimmerman goes back to his car.

Martin confronts him while in the car.

Martin runs away.

Zimmerman exits the car and follows Martin a second time.

As Zimmerman rounds a corner, Martin confronts him again.

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from pspr:

I'm a stickler for safety and knowing the condition of a weapon. I've had friends shoot holes in their bedroom walls, shoot themselves in the foot, accidentally shoot friends and known about plenty of people killed with unloaded weapons. So, I'm in the habit of checking a weapon I have in my possession two or three times to make sure I know what state it is in and that anyone around me is safe from accidental discharge.

I don't have a concealed carry permit but putting myself in Zimmerman's shoes, I normally wouldn't carry with a round in the chamber. (a revolver or automatic dropped on even an uncocked hammer can cause a discharge and the safety could be accidentally switched to off) But, if I were going into an area or situation where I thought there was even a remote possibility I may need to defend myself, I would chamber a round then double or triple check that the safety was on (but never cock the hammer unless I was ready to shoot). Once out of that situation though, I wouldn't be comfortable until I had a chance to remove the chambered round. That may be just me though.

Whomever you are who hacked pspr's ET account, I will be reporting you to the proper authorities.

 

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Quote from RCG Trader:

And yes, you can remove the safety and pull the trigger in a nearly fluid motion.

Again, my question was, why was he carrying if he a was a neighborhood watchman. I have done that job, and if I see something, I will act as if I didn't see anything, duck out, and call 911.
Zimmerman was a cowboy, and I think he fucked up.

I don't think he was carrying "because" he was a neighborhood watchman. He sounds like he always carries. I have several friend who always carry and I live in one of the safest neighborhoods in the country.

Also, people living in that neighborhood describe him as frequently strolling around (usually with his rottweiler). Not necessarily patrolling. I mean he does in fact live in that neighborhood. I stroll my neighborhood all the time.

Some people talk about the neighborhood watch as if it is some official neighborhood patrol that determines a schedule and has someone out standing guard. Usually it is just a casual understanding between neighbors as to a course of action when someone sees suspicious activity.

 

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Quote from pspr:

I'm a stickler for safety and knowing the condition of a weapon. I've had friends shoot holes in their bedroom walls, shoot themselves in the foot, accidentally shoot friends and known about plenty of people killed with unloaded weapons. So, I'm in the habit of checking a weapon I have in my possession two or three times to make sure I know what state it is in and knowing that anyone around me is safe from accidental discharge.

I don't have a concealed carry permit but putting myself in Zimmerman's shoes, I normally wouldn't carry with a round in the chamber. (a revolver or automatic dropped on even an uncocked hammer can cause a discharge and the safety could be accidentally switched to off) But, if I were going into an area or situation where I thought there was even a remote possibility I may need to defend myself, I would chamber a round then double or triple check that the safety was on (but never cock the hammer unless I was ready to shoot). Once out of that situation though, I wouldn't be comfortable until I had a chance to remove the chambered round. That may be just me though.

I'm the same way. I won't carry my 357 revolver loaded unless I'm in the mountains (moose, mountain lions, and bears). Even then, it is holstered with the safety on and the holster strap snapped around the hammer.

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from Epic:

Read it again. The account that I posted is what supposedly happened after the 911 call you refer to.

Zimmerman goes back to his car.

Martin confronts him while in the car.

Martin runs away.

Zimmerman exits the car and follows Martin a second time.

As Zimmerman rounds a corner, Martin confronts him again.

There simply is not enough time for Zimmerman to go back to his car - which is parked up near the mailboxes - in the timeline of events in minutes from the end of the 911 call to the shooting. Unless Zimmerman runs faster than most of the top Olympic runners in the world.

My other issue is - despite following the case closely - I have never seen a statement from anyone (much less Martin's father) stating that this is what police said happened. What is your source? Please post it.

 

[pspr]

Quote from Epic:

Read it again. The account that I posted is what supposedly happened after the 911 call you refer to.

Zimmerman goes back to his car.

Martin confronts him while in the car.

Martin runs away.

Zimmerman exits the car and follows Martin a second time.

As Zimmerman rounds a corner, Martin confronts him again.

That's not what I understand.
Zimmerman got out of his SUV and walked to the walkway going between the buildings.

The dispatcher said he didn't need to follow Martin and ask for the address and Zimmerman walked to the front of the building (away from his truck) and reported the address.

Zimmerman then started walking back to his SUV.

As Zimmerman crossed where the sidewalk between the building met the sidewalk he was on, Trayvon approached him from Zimmerman's left rear. (Trayvon could have been home by then if he had walked straight home. He either hid or doubled back.)

A conversation started and Zimmerman walked a few feet up the sidewalk between the buildings as Martin was too far away to understand what he was saying.

At that point the conversation took place and Zimmerman reached for his cell phone. Then Martin punched Zimmerman knocking him to the ground and jumping on him beating his head into the sidewalk. Then the shooting to defend himself.

 

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Quote from gwb-trading:

This version (which I never heard before - Do you have a source?) sounds totally incorrect.

Here is the source...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-usa-florida-shooting-trayvon-idUSBRE8320UK20120403

I did note that this is the story that was supposedly described to Trayvon's dad by the investigator at the station. As told by Mr. Martin.

 

[377OHMS]

Quote from Epic:

I'm the same way. I won't carry my 357 revolver loaded unless I'm in the mountains (moose, mountain lions, and bears). Even then, it is holstered with the safety on and the holster strap snapped around the hammer.

My .357 Magnum has no safety and if I need to carry it hiking I only put 5 rounds in with an empty chamber under the hammer.

Its a S&W Model-66 Combat Magnum in stainless. Nice little gun but I usually load .38 +P in it instead of .357 so that I have a chance of hitting my target.

 

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Quote from 377OHMS:

My .357 Magnum has no safety and if I need to carry it hiking I only put 5 rounds in with an empty chamber under the hammer.

Its a S&W Model-66 Combat Magnum in stainless. Nice little gun but I usually load .38 +P in it instead of .357 so that I have a chance of hitting my target.

I never trust that I've left the proper chamber open, but I suppose it is just that much safer than carrying fully loaded. I don't have the stainless. I bet that is slick looking.

Yep I prefer the 38 special too. But I shoot both. I have a ton of re-loaded 357 casings, so it is cheaper if I'm just playing around. In an case, mines older (black model 686). Long barrel and really accurate anyway.