Zimmerman Verdict: Guilt or Not Guilty? Vote now!

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Quote from BSAM:

Which will be the bigger story if Zimmerman is found innocent:

A. The trial

B. The riots

We'll have to check with lubrum our resident Florida criminal law expert, but I thought that they either found the defendant guilty or not guilty. I didn't know "found innocent" was one of the choices. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[gwb-trading]

“…..Obama: ‘If I had a daughter-in-law, she would look like Rachael Jeantel’….”

 

[nonlinear5]

Quote from gwb-trading:

“…..Obama: ‘If I had a daughter-in-law, she would look like Rachael Jeantel’….”

Obama didn't say that. He did make a brief statement about the case in March 2012, which he should not have done, because it's not the President's job to try the case in front of the American people, especially considering that the facts of the case were little known at the time.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from nonlinear5:

The (remaining) freedoms that we have in the United States are based on the presumption of innocence, not on the presumption of guilt. When I walk (or jog, or skip) in any neighborhood, I don't owe any explanation to any "good citizens" as to what I am doing here, or why I am dressed in a certain way. If the "good citizens" start following me, I'd perceive it as a threat and say, "Fuck off, you creeps".

The burden of proof is on the police to have a reasonable suspicion that I am up to some illegal activity, in order for them to stop and question me. And yes, okay, the neighborhoods have the right to form whatever "militia" that the'd like, but again, I don't owe them any explanation unless there is a clear intent on my part to break the law. There wasn't anything like that in the case under the discussion.

Imagine a country (or a neighborhood) where this concept of presumption of innocence is substituted with the presumption of guilt. Would that make any neighborhoods safer? Hell, no. You'd be afraid to go anywhere, because any psycho with a gun would be entitled to follow you, stop you, question you, and kill you, if you show any signs of human dignity.

Great argument, nonlinear5, but your appeals to logic may as well be expressed in Vulcan as far as getting across to the foaming-at-the-mouth bigots and reactionaries that infest this particular forum.

Their minds were made up once they found out the races of the parties and facts just confuse them.

 

[gwb-trading]

Quote from nonlinear5:

Obama didn't say that. He did make a brief statement about the case in March 2012, which he should not have done, because it's not the President's job to try the case in front of the American people, especially considering that the facts of the case were little known at the time.

This is an attempt at humor based on Obama's previous statement about "if he had a son...." ---- not an actual statement. This parody should be obvious to most people following the news. But it also demonstrates the absurdity of Obama getting directly engaged in this case before the facts were properly revealed.

 

[nonlinear5]

Quote from kut2k2:

Great argument, nonlinear5, but your appeals to logic may as well be expressed in Vulcan as far as getting across to the foaming-at-the-mouth bigots and reactionaries that infest this particular forum.

Their minds were made up once they found out the races of the parties and facts just confuse them.

Calling people "bigots" and "reactionaries" is counter-productive. To me, it's far more interesting to discuss the case, rather than the people who are discussing the case.

 

[nonlinear5]

Quote from gwb-trading:

This is an attempt at humor based on Obama's previous statement about "if he had a son...." ---- not an actual statement. This parody should be obvious to most people following the news. But it also demonstrates the absurdity of Obama getting directly engaged in this case before the facts were properly revealed.

Right, I understood the humor. However, most ETers don't have a sense of humor, so your misquote could have been taken literally, leading to 10 pages of expletives, insults, and unnecessary explanations. I admit it would have been interesting to see how people would react to it.

 

[BSAM]

So, Obama says that if he had a son, that he would look like Trayvon.

The media outlets need to investigate whether Obama has been attempting to pursue a relationship with Trayvon's mother.
Now, that would be a much bigger story than this obvious case of a self-defense shooting.

 

[LEAPup]

Quote from Lucrum:

Facts and evidence are not relevant in this case.

Bingo! What a truthful statement that was!

And as Maverick pointed out in another thread, the jurors are probably scared to death to acquit the guy for fear of reciprocity from bad people who may hurt them or their families over their (LAWFUL) decision. I sadly think an innocent man is going to go to prison, simply because the jurors aren't dumb, and know they face problems from thugs if they acquit him. What a complete nightmare race "relations" have come to recently! And YES, us "white" people are to blame for ALLOWING it to come to this.

The question is, do these six (emotional) Women make the right decision to acquit based on FL law, or do they decide to protect themselves and their Families from harm from thugs by finding an innocent Man guilty? What a mess!

 

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Quote from PiggyBank:

only if your attacker is darker than you.

Yes, if they're black, the pc police want us to blow a whistle, and say help me as the wives and daughters are raped, and the males brains are kicked all over the pavement.