You would think jesus would pay his bills. but i guess not.

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Petsamo:

Imagine Ricter & Free thinker were in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina.
Ricter leaves New Orleans; Free Thinker decides to tough it out.
Ricter is relieved because of the warnings.
Free Thinker's wife gets crushed by a tree.
Can we assume Free Thinker would blame a God who doesn't exist?

millions of people in new orleans are worried about the possibility of a hurricane so they pray to god. please god dont send a hurricane. why does an all powerfull god send a hurricane to hurt people?

Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:

Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm

 

[Petsamo]

Quote from Free Thinker:
why do you suppose this god stopped showing himself now that we have ways of verifying his existence?

We can then assume scientists and MDs are less likely to believe. I don't have statistics, but I'll bet conservative scientists and MDs still believe in God.

 

[kut2k2]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

perhaps, but not in this context. you cannot say something does not exist, if there is a possibility that it exists in a place or manner in which you have no concept of.

duh back at you.

As an atheist I have never contended that no god exists. That would call for omniscience I readily admit to not possessing. But if you point to a specific god like the god of Abraham and you tell me the bible is a factual accounting of his deeds and if I then can subsequently point to contradictions and other nonsense galore in your "inerrant holy book", then I am confident in stating that your god of Abraham is a pile of rubbish. And I can do that for virtually every other alleged specific deity I've heard of.

I'm not an atheist because I'm stubborn or evil, I'm an atheist because I've been given less reason to believe in a god than I have to believe in the tooth fairy. I can attest to actual exchanges of coinage for fallen teeth when I was asleep as a little kid.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Petsamo:

We can then assume scientists and MDs are less likely to believe. I don't have statistics, but I'll bet conservative scientists and MDs still believe in God.

depends what you call a scientist. many computer scientists still believe. biologists almost none believe anymore.

but its not surprising. religious people who have never cracked a biology book are positive evolution is false while scientists who spend their life working in the field have no doubt about evolution.

National Academy of Sciences from the biological and physical sciences (the latter including mathematicians, physicists and astronomers). The return rate was slightly over 50%.

The results were as follows (figures in %):


BELIEF IN PERSONAL GOD 1914 1933 1998

Personal belief 27.7 15 7.0
Personal disbelief 52.7 68 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.9 17 20.8

BELIEF IN IMMORTALITY 1914 1933 1998

Personal belief 35.2 18 7.9
Personal disbelief 25.4 53 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 43.7 29 23.3

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Free Thinker:

ever read his book? besides believers point to all kinds of stories of god showing himself and doing amazing things 2000+ years ago before the age of video cameras. why do you suppose this god stopped showing himself now that we have ways of verifying his existence?

you're actually proving my point, you're just not quick enough to see it.

2000 years ago, people thought all sorts of things were god because they had no other explanation. they just didnt understand, or have the knowledge to comprehend the situation they witnessed. for example, before people understood that the earth was just a planet in space, i'm sure meteors made people believe in some magical or divine explanation. if you had told them - no, thats a rock from outer space entering the atmosphere, they would have laughed and said "no such thing". their frame of reference was insufficient to discredit your claim.

and now, still, your frame of reference is insufficient to discredit God until you understand everything. because "God" is, by definition, something beyond the ability for you to comprehend.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from kut2k2:

As an atheist I have never contended that no god exists. That would call for omniscience I readily admit to not possessing. But if you point to a specific god like the god of Abraham and you tell me the bible is a factual accounting of his deeds and if I then can subsequently point to contradictions and other nonsense galore in your "inerrant holy book", then I am confident in stating that your god of Abraham is a pile of rubbish. And I can do that for virtually every other alleged specific deity I've heard of.

I'm not an atheist because I'm stubborn or evil, I'm an atheist because I've been given less reason to believe in a god than I have to believe in the tooth fairy. I can attest to actual exchanges of coinage for fallen teeth when I was asleep as a little kid.

i am not claiming any particular god exists. i am merely claiming that you cannot say that God does not exist.

i have my personal beliefs, but no where in this thread have i tried to convince any of you that my beliefs are correct. they are simply my beliefs and i may believe them in peace.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from Petsamo:

We can then assume scientists and MDs are less likely to believe. I don't have statistics, but I'll bet conservative scientists and MDs still believe in God.

You can assume the higher IQ and higher level of education then the higher percentage of atheist.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from bigarrow:

You can assume the higher IQ and higher level of education then the higher percentage of atheist.

and i would conclude that the higher the IQ and level of education, the higher the arrogance to believe that they are the universe, and not God.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

you're actually proving my point, you're just not quick enough to see it.

2000 years ago, people thought all sorts of things were god because they had no other explanation. they just didnt understand, or have the knowledge to comprehend the situation they witnessed. for example, before people understood that the earth was just a planet in space, i'm sure meteors made people believe in some magical or divine explanation. if you had told them - no, thats a rock from outer space entering the atmosphere, they would have laughed and said "no such thing". their frame of reference was insufficient to discredit your claim.

and now, still, your frame of reference is insufficient to discredit God until you understand everything. because "God" is, by definition, something beyond the ability for you to comprehend.

if you are saying that the bible is nothing more than a product of the ignorance of men i think we agree.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Free Thinker:

if you are saying that the bible is nothing more than a product of the ignorance of men i think we agree.

i said no such thing. the only thing i continue to say is that you cannot prove that God does not exist, no matter how hard you try.

your attempt to redirect the point and ignore my consistent argument is admirable, though.