You would think jesus would pay his bills. but i guess not.

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i hope you realize that this explaination is just a rationalization to attempt to explain away the observable fact that an all powerfull loving god and evil in the world today can not both be possible.
buy hey. people have to use many illogical contortions to make the story fit well enough so they can hang on to their comfort blanket.



for me it is much easier to just be intellectually honest. whats so hard about accepting that everything we see in the world happens exactly as we would expect it to if there were no god?
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it's no more a rationalization than your comment is. you are attempting to reconcile something that, by definition, is beyond your understanding. much like an ant has no real understanding of the concept of humanity.
 
So much talk about God, so little understanding.

God set up a system where people reap what they sow.

"Why does anything bad ever happen if there is a God"?

Because a bad seed was sown, and He set up a system where there is a harvest from that seed.

Don't you see the foolishness of the question?

It's like saying "i don't care if people lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape, etc., if there was a God, only good things would happen as a result of those actions".

Foolishness.

Study the bible and believe. Forget the writings of people who have died and are in hell.
 
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i dont disagree. how can a human concept stiff anybody?
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No consistency at all.
You blame Jesus if the Pastor couldn't pay the bills, but you don't blame Him if the Pastor stiffs somebody.
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Because a bad seed was sown, and He set up a system where there is a harvest from that seed.
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wow. the old eve ate an apple and cursed mankind forever argument. havent heard that one in a while.
its kind of hard to scare educated people with tales of hell and damnation these days.

Gene Roddenberry: We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes


“The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
 
just curious.

if you admit that you do not know everything, then how can you logically argue that something does not exist?
 
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and he thinks pointing out that some churches are being foreclosed on will do it??
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lol. look where this led. we have one guy trying to argue that an evil god is a good god. another trying to say its because a talking snake convinced a woman to eat an apple. cant wait to hear whats next.
 
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lol. look where this led. we have one guy trying to argue that an evil god is a good god. another trying to say its because a talking snake convinced a woman to eat an apple. cant wait to hear whats next.
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and we have an ignoramus believing he has the answers to everything in the universe, and can independently argue that something - by definition designed to be far beyond his understanding - cannot possibly exist.
 
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just curious.

if you admit that you do not know everything, then how can you logically argue that something does not exist?
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can one logically argue that santa clause does not exist? how about zues?


Stephen Roberts: I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours
 
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and we have an ignoramus believing he has the answers to everything in the universe, and can independently argue that something - by definition designed to be far beyond his understanding - cannot possibly exist.
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i though god wanted to draw people nearer to him. does he do that by hiding and making all the evidence look like he does not exist?
 
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