Wow! Another racial fight.

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

A. What is the cause of black on white violence?

B. What is your proposed solution to the problem?

A. Let's separate robberies and property crime, which are more a matter of looking for who has money. The kind of mindless violence we have repeatedly seen in fast food joints, buses, subways, etc is almost always racial hatred, often amped up by bullying or a perceived need to avenge the kinds of affronts normal people shrug off.

I blame most of this on race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton, and a considerable amount on the so-called mainstream civil rights community, which has a huge financial stake in keeping blacks angry and feeling persecuted. You tell a person that whites hate them enough times, they believe it and start to believe they are justified in resorting to violence. Politicians also are to blame for the same reasons. Demagogues like obama go out and say responsible attempts to start a conversation about getting the budget in balance are nothing but genocide and attacks on the poor. It has an effect.

B. Solutions are twofold. One, judges have to stop coddling juvenile violence. Maryland is notorious for light sentences on violent criminals. I doubt these thugs see any jail time. One is a juvenile and the other is 18.

The other is for the media and public servants to start demanding accountability. They are quick to call out Sarah Palin for a website, but they will never demand that the democrats divorce themselves from figures like Jackson and Sharpton. Obama is the worst offender, if only because of his position. He calls for civility, then turns around and demagogues the budget issue in the rawest terms.
 
Yes, but at the same time the problems are getting worse and worse. So, it would really only make perfect sense to post more actively about them. It would have been absurd to make as many posts as some people do in the 50s, for example.

Also, the error I see is that trade schools are already widely available, ESPECIALLY to blacks and latinos. They get preference on admissions, extra funding, the schools have quotas which set minimums for the amount of minorities they must admit. These minorities already have huge advantages in terms of education. After they get admitted with the more lax admissions standards and with extra funding, they have all kinds of racial and ethnic student organizations which offer resources to help them succeed in school. At my school there are black student unions, latino achievement outreach organizations, and so forth. MANY of them. Also, the Affirmative Action policies which have given them excessive over representation in nearly all government departments, and the pressure of government on large corporations to hire non Caucasians. I mean, what else do you really want to give them? I'd argue that your education/trade school suggestion has already been implemented, and then some.

Yet another problem I see with this is that you can't really legislate human nature. If a certain ethnic group sets their own ethnocultural standards, and their own values, and their own expectations, for whatever reason (cultural, genetic, astrology, whatever explanation you ascribe to) that's what will determine group outcomes.

Honestly, and please don't bite my head of for this as I'm not saying it in spite, but I think YOUR suggestions are fairly racist. Please read my explanation with an open mind, and try not to bite my my head off too hard :) .

In short, I believe the question of "inferior" or "superior" races is an issue for assholes to debate, and I don't want any part of it; the races are different, and have different types of ethnocultural societies they prefer, and that objectively is clear. I don't view that as insulting to African-Americans or any other ethnic group; in fact it's the opposite: the highest respect I can grant to any group is to insist that they be allowed to do things their own way, since otherwise is to presume that my way is better, and thus to impose it upon them as an "improvement" over what they are. That's crass racism, no matter how much we disguise it as Judeo-Christian liberalism.

Funny how all these advocates for "diversity" are the very ones who hatefully attack any notion that we aren't all identical. These "diversity" cheer leaders seem to hate anyone who says that we aren't all the same. Am I the only one who thinks that's hypocritical?

Quote from Maverick74:

Let me address the last point you made first. I do not post about it daily. I have been on this forum for 9 years and over 8k posts and I think maybe I have started 5 to 10 threads tops about this stuff. In 9 years!!!! I would hardly call that daily. But anyway, back to your earlier points.

Let's walk through possible solutions shall we?

1) Throw billions of dollars at poor black people. That's right, let's just give them billions of dollars and see if it's true that money solves all problems. I suspect this will not work. In my life I have found that money solves little to nothing. Money didn't save Barry Bonds. It didn't help Nic Cage. Money doesn't seem to help lottery winners. Money doesn't seem to help people on Wall St. So I am one to think that just giving poor blacks money will not solve the problem.

2) Gun control. I am one that believes that removing guns from the street only keeps them out of the hands of those dangerous soccer moms and nascar dads. Criminals will always get their guns and they rarely get them legally. Would you want to register your gun if you knew you were going to kill someone with it shortly after?/ Of course not. So gun control doesn't work.

3) Parenting. I've been a big be believer and statistics seems to back me up that there is a strong correlation between children having two parents that are together seems to produce a better more well rounded child. This is true in all communities...white, black, Latino, etc. The black community seems to have a terrible problem keeping families together. A poor black kid without a father in the home is statistically doomed. The same is also true although not to the same extent as whites, Asians and Latinos. This is a cultural issue and the government cannot solve this issue. The black community must recognize this problem and address it.

4) Tougher crime laws? I really don't see this working either. Blacks already have the highest incarceration rates in the country by a mile and we just can't keep building prisons. Sooner or later they are going to get out and if the problem is not solved they will pick up right where they left off.

5) Education. I really believe this is ultimately where the fix has to be. Educated people in general, tend to commit less crimes. Not wealthy people, educated people. The left seems to want to focus solely on class warfare and money but it's not money but one's ability to earn money that makes the difference. The problem is the left doesn't want to address education at the fear of putting teacher unions on the table. You can't address education without addressing the unions and the dept of education and moving to a merit based system. And that is a no go for the left. So the emphasis is just on money and throwing money at the problem after these black kids are already grown up with no skills and no education. I can't think of a worse thing to do with money then throw it at someone with no skills and no education.

So my solutions would be to pull all the money we are using to fund section 8 and ghetto projects and use that money to putting those people trade schools to learn something useful. Fix the school systems. Get rid of the dept of education and use that money to fund adult programs for those already past their prime to teach them some viable skill.

At some point the black community has got to fix their cultural problems of the bringing the family unit back together. I am absolutely convinced if these kids had a father waiting for them at home that their propensity to find trouble would diminish.

Welfare is NOT the answer. Neither is tolerance or understanding. We need to stop making excuses and saying these people don't know any better or don't have a choice. That is a cop out. And stop blaming the rich, the tea party, right wing people, white people, anybody. All problems can be solved from within....ALL.
 
I don't see this particular incident as unique, it has become part of Americana.

Stormfront has all kinds of links to all kinds of videos...all of them black on white stuff...not white on black.

So is this particular incident really headline news?

Don't you think there are actually more important stories out there?

What is actually going to change from this incident?

Will McDonalds now employ armed security guards?

Maybe.

Will police handle things differently?

I doubt it.

Will people stop filming these things?

Nope.

Will violence increase in America as poverty continues to increase?

I've predicted several years ago as such.

If this is not actually a race driven event...does it matter to you?

You can google "Murders" at googlenews and find all kinds of horrific stuff, men killing their wives and children, black, white, hispanic.

I don't need to tune into each video...do you?

Why do you want to watch this stuff?

What is your solution?

Quote from Maverick74:

Hey Zzz, you never answered me why you lied about this? Do you lie all the time? Or this just an isolated incident?
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

A. Let's separate robberies and property crime, which are more a matter of looking for who has money. The kind of mindless violence we have repeatedly seen in fast food joints, buses, subways, etc is almost always racial hatred, often amped up by bullying or a perceived need to avenge the kinds of affronts normal people shrug off.

I blame most of this on race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton, and a considerable amount on the so-called mainstream civil rights community, which has a huge financial stake in keeping blacks angry and feeling persecuted. You tell a person that whites hate them enough times, they believe it and start to believe they are justified in resorting to violence. Politicians also are to blame for the same reasons. Demagogues like obama go out and say responsible attempts to start a conversation about getting the budget in balance are nothing but genocide and attacks on the poor. It has an effect.

B. Solutions are twofold. One, judges have to stop coddling juvenile violence. Maryland is notorious for light sentences on violent criminals. I doubt these thugs see any jail time. One is a juvenile and the other is 18.

The other is for the media and public servants to start demanding accountability. They are quick to call out Sarah Palin for a website, but they will never demand that the democrats divorce themselves from figures like Jackson and Sharpton. Obama is the worst offender, if only because of his position. He calls for civility, then turns around and demagogues the budget issue in the rawest terms.

So once again, the right wing is blameless in your eyes...
 
Addressing 3 & 5. All the education available won't help unless the black man can find their way back to a two parent household, instead of just laying that responsibility on the woman, which is usually very young and poorly educated herself. Until that happens they will live in ignorance and a self perpetuating culture of violence. Lot's of people both black and white making a damn good living off keeping it that way.
Your post was right on the money.


Quote from Maverick74:



3) Parenting. I've been a big be believer and statistics seems to back me up that there is a strong correlation between children having two parents that are together seems to produce a better more well rounded child. This is true in all communities...white, black, Latino, etc. The black community seems to have a terrible problem keeping families together. A poor black kid without a father in the home is statistically doomed. The same is also true although not to the same extent as whites, Asians and Latinos. This is a cultural issue and the government cannot solve this issue. The black community must recognize this problem and address it.


5) Education. I really believe this is ultimately where the fix has to be. Educated people in general, tend to commit less crimes. Not wealthy people, educated people. The left seems to want to focus solely on class warfare and money but it's not money but one's ability to earn money that makes the difference. The problem is the left doesn't want to address education at the fear of putting teacher unions on the table. You can't address education without addressing the unions and the dept of education and moving to a merit based system. And that is a no go for the left. So the emphasis is just on money and throwing money at the problem after these black kids are already grown up with no skills and no education. I can't think of a worse thing to do with money then throw it at someone with no skills and no education.

So my solutions would be to pull all the money we are using to fund section 8 and ghetto projects and use that money to putting those people trade schools to learn something useful. Fix the school systems. Get rid of the dept of education and use that money to fund adult programs for those already past their prime to teach them some viable skill.

At some point the black community has got to fix their cultural problems of the bringing the family unit back together. I am absolutely convinced if these kids had a father waiting for them at home that their propensity to find trouble would diminish.

Welfare is NOT the answer. Neither is tolerance or understanding. We need to stop making excuses and saying these people don't know any better or don't have a choice. That is a cop out. And stop blaming the rich, the tea party, right wing people, white people, anybody. All problems can be solved from within....ALL.
 
I've long stipulated that if the KKK had more brains and money (OK, a &#^*ing #@*& of a lot more brains and money), they still could not have drafted a better plan to keep blacks down then the left has successfully implemented. They are systemically locked into hardship with their jailers (Sharpton, Jackson, democrats in general, etc.) carefully keeping them behind bars. The civil rights movement was 50 years ago, for crying out loud. Yet the number one cause of death for black young men is sudden lead poisoning. Are they marching, are they demonstrating, are they upset about that? Nope.

The number one problem facing black america today is disincentives to success and solid families via government handouts. Try to cut those disincentives and you are labeled a racist. It is a very interesting lesson to watch the victims of all of this be so determined to keep themselves repressed.

There's no way the KKK could have pulled this off. It took a much better, more more organized, much more efficient group - liberals.

Quote from maxpi:

Probably happened in some nig 'hood where if somebody intervened the gangsters would kill them... I would intervene but I would get it over for the attackers really quickly and get the hell out of Dodge...

I lived in a town where blacks moved in to the tune of a hundred thousand in about a year... gang chicks would come in a store and grab some merchandise and go to a cashier and say they were returning it.. I asked a cashier [White chick] why she gave out the money and she said she was afraid of the perp's friends outside...

This is how it is with Blacks in the USA: Jessie Jackemup lawyers have extorted the [White] employers over race issues. Employers therefore don't hire Blacks. Blacks are told by the Democrats that they don't have jobs because of racism. Blacks believe that. Blacks are stirred up by racism and hate Whites. Blacks vote for Democrats because the Dems tell them they are helping them. Blacks have to live on welfare which never pays that much. Blacks have to subsidize their meager incomes with crime and their neighborhoods are run by criminals. Blacks worst enemies are their grandchildren.... and who really gives a shit as long as you never have to be around Blacks?? F%^k that s^$t, not my idea of helping Blacks and typically I get along with Blacks ok but my answer to racism in the USA: Stay the living f$%k away from Blacks!! Learn to trade and get to a place that has no Blacks!! Hire Mexicans if you want something to get done, they work cheap!! Trade well or die at that hands of the welfare class baby... WIN stands for Work is Nonprofit, always did, always will...

What is the exit strategy for the War on Poverty? Fifty years later and all the welfare has fixed nothing. The number of people in the USA that are struggling with hunger is significant, some say 1/8 so the War on Poverty is not working, let's scrap that S$%t asap...
 
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Well folks, we have the guy that was shooting the video.

The video was taken by McDonald’s worker Vernon Hackett, according to The Smoking Gun.

Hackett, who has worked at McDonald's in Rosedale since September 2009, claimed credit for the video on his Facebook account, which he has since taken down.

At one point the employee can be heard laughing hysterically at the violence in front of him.

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Quote from CaptainObvious:

Addressing 3 & 5. All the education available won't help unless the black man can find their way back to a two parent household, instead of just laying that responsibility on the woman, which is usually very young and poorly educated herself. Until that happens they will live in ignorance and a self perpetuating culture of violence. Lot's of people both black and white making a damn good living off keeping it that way.
Your post was right on the money.

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