Would a Japan/China war be good for the US

[justrading]

Quote from d08:

Russians (that includes the government) still think Stalin was a great man and celebrate him - this is a guy who in fact killed more civilians than Hitler.
To this day, most Russians think they "liberated" Europe from evil Germans when in fact what they did is rape and pillage when it comes to Eastern Europe (excluding the obvious, German soldiers were respectful toward the ordinary civilian).

Oddly enough, while your parents suffered - what about the thousands of American Japanese civilians who were sent to internment camps on US soil simply for being Japanese (many died or were killed there consequently).

Stalin was a thoroughly despicable man, no doubt. The Russians think they did the job perhaps because they paid the heaviest price.

http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.asp

I am aware of that travesty of justice that occurred when the Japanese Americans were interned.

In war there really are no winners, only varying degrees of losers, but old men start wars and send young men to die so they need them to believe they are dying for a noble cause. Standing up to the likes of Hitler was a noble cause. Going to war over some crappy little islands in East Asia is not, never mind how much oil and gas you have there.

Oldtime referred to an Eisenhower quote. I have three Eisenhower quotes that are relevant to this discussion;

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its stupidity.

War settles nothing.

 

[benwm]

Quote from d08:

Russians (that includes the government) still think Stalin was a great man and celebrate him - this is a guy who in fact killed more civilians than Hitler.

Similarly, many Chinese hold Mao in high regard despite his administration overseeing systematic human rights abuses...whose rule is estimated to have caused the deaths of between 40–70 million people through starvation and executions.

 

[oldtime]

Quote from benwm:

Similarly, many Chinese hold Mao in high regard despite his administration overseeing systematic human rights abuses...whose rule is estimated to have caused the deaths of between 40–70 million people through starvation and executions.

yeah, that's the way those Chinese are

I've read about them

 

[justrading]

Quote from oldtime:

yeah, that's the way those Chinese are

I've read about them

But you never heard them say much about the war and the Japanese, other than occasionally recounting the horrors they went through.

This was what I said about my parents. Are Americans permitted to use 'them' and 'they' in this way, or is it no longer allowed?

 

[benwm]

Quote from justrading:

But you never heard them say much about the war and the Japanese, other than occasionally recounting the horrors they went through.

This was what I said about my parents. Are Americans permitted to use 'them' and 'they' in this way, or is it no longer allowed?

oldtime has a unusual way of conversing with others.. Best to ignore the posts you find insulting on ET or else you'll waste a lot of time.

 

[oldtime]

Quote from benwm:

oldtime has a unusual way of conversing with others.. Best to ignore the posts you find insulting on ET or else you'll waste a lot of time.

that's what I always say, if you don't like it, just ignore it

 

[sumfuka]

Quote from benwm:

Similarly, many Chinese hold Mao in high regard despite his administration overseeing systematic human rights abuses...whose rule is estimated to have caused the deaths of between 40–70 million people through starvation and executions.

Seriously?

 

[benwm]

Quote from sumfuka:

Seriously?

Yes. According to Rudy Rummel:-
" The total for the communist democide before and after Mao took over the mainland is thus 3,446,000 + 35,226,000 + 38,000,000 = 76,692,000, or to round off, 77,000,000 murdered. This is now in line with the 65 million toll estimated for China in the Black Book of Communism, and Chang and Halliday’s estimate of 'well over 70 million.' "

http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/getting-my-reestimate-of-maos-democide-out/

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM

 

[oldtime]

Quote from benwm:

Yes. According to Rudy Rummel:-
" The total for the communist democide before and after Mao took over the mainland is thus 3,446,000 + 35,226,000 + 38,000,000 = 76,692,000, or to round off, 77,000,000 murdered. This is now in line with the 65 million toll estimated for China in the Black Book of Communism, and Chang and Halliday’s estimate of 'well over 70 million.' "

http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/getting-my-reestimate-of-maos-democide-out/

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM

and we all knew about it

it was published in all the papers at the time

and we didn't do a damn thing about it

because we all just figured, "That's the way they do it in China."

 

[noob_trad3r]

Quote from d08:

Who's finance US debt then with Japan and China out of the picture?
Remember, a war between those two would also strengthen the positions of Russia, India.
Your views are massively too simplistic. You have to think much further than the initial first 1-2 steps.
Reminds of the Treaty of Versailles after the first World War, everything was blamed on Germany and that in fact triggered the second World War as a chain reaction.

You assume we have a choice, the choice is not ours to make. Economic issues eventually turn into War.

We have been putting ourselves in a position to bring about another major war by selling our long term future for short term gains.

We do not have enough jobs for the surplus population in the US, surplused because we exported our work to foreign countries.

We are exporting debt and importing goods and services. Our deficit keeps growing, our youth are saddled with debt just to get a work permit (College degree) and if they are lucky the get a job that pays poorly and the rest they have to borrow to make up the difference.

We are taking an unsustainable path, eventually such paths lead to war and a great painful reset.

History speaks for itself.