Indeed, but I would bet (with real $$) that western society gets the short end this round.
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Would a Japan/China war be good for the US
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Last i heardQuote from 377OHMS:
If you deemed to use punctuation and capitalization you wouldn't have to post with single standalone sentences like some kind of half-assed haiku writer. I mean, if you are going to the trouble to post on ET to express some idea or opinion you might as well do so in English. Your thought process is jumbled enough as it is without expressing those disjointed ideas and comments in poor syntax. You may have something important and interesting to say but some of us can't tell because of the sloppy writing.
I agree that it is really stupid for people to be killed over something that that is just a small matter of principle. Its like the Falkland Island conflict between Argentina and the UK. The islands have just about no economic benefit for the UK and it costs them money to administrate and secure the islands. The UK only defends the sovereignty of the Falklands as a matter of principle. It was a shame when UK kids got killed defending the Falklands and I hope Argentina isn't stupid enough to try that again.
If there was military conflict between China and Japan my opinion is that it could throw the world economy into a depression. Our reliance on Chinese goods coupled with the "just in time" manufacture and delivery processes in the west means that disruptions in the supply of parts that go into American products might show up immediately at the retail level. We really are tightly coupled to the Chinese economy and to the Japanese to a lesser degree. Nothing good would come out of a war between the two countries.
Everyone assumes that China would dominate Japan in any conflict but I'm not so sure about that. The Japanese have quite a tradition of naval competence. Given the presence of several breeder reactors in Japan it is a good bet that they have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. I worked for the Japanese National Space Agency and was impressed with the heavy launch vehicles they've developed. I think the Japanese have a nuclear weapons program and an intercontinental ballistic missile program that they haven't acknowledged.
I was on your ignore list
because I didn't agree with one of your crazy ideas
what are you doing?
reading my posts?
Looking forward to your instruction about the proper way to express ideas on the internet
The outcome of this conflict would depend on who got the right assumptions. It seems that China would get what they want.
What are the assumptions of the chinese generals?
As for the Japanese generals, if they are smart they could create internal problems for china, but I doubt they are creative enough or would want to be creative enough.
What are the assumptions of the chinese generals?
As for the Japanese generals, if they are smart they could create internal problems for china, but I doubt they are creative enough or would want to be creative enough.
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China is behaving in an increasingly provocative fashion.
Is that a surprise to you? It was known it would happen since more than 10 years ago!
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The solution must be diplomacy.
That is what the Chinese generals seem to think others think. So it makes sense for them to raise the stakes to get the islands without doing a war.
Quote from tradingjournals:
Is that a surprise to you? It was known it would happen since more than 10 years ago!
That is what the Chinese generals seem to think others think. So it makes sense for them to raise the stakes to get the islands without doing a war.
No it is not a surprise to me, look up the meaning of 'increasing'. People like you jump in to a discussion late, have not got a clue of what has transpired and rush to judgement.
I started posting when this thread was populated by half-baked Darwinists who think that losing 50 or 100 million young Americans, Europeans, Japanese and Chinese is a good thing. I suppose there is merit in leaving the peasants of Africa and South America in peace so they can make up the numbers; not a bad idea for improving humanity.
As for your 10 year time frame, you seem to know nothing about how Chinese think. These people were civilised when your ancestors and mine were living in caves and grunting to each other.
I have a very dear friend who is an overseas Chinese, whose parents were born in China. In the '80s he moved back to China to open a Mercedes Benz sales and service dealership. I told him he was nuts to even think of that when it was a country of peasants. Well if getting in early is getting in on the ground floor, he got in when they were excavating the site, and is doing very handsomely for it. In a country where connections matter, he now has old connections.
Mao was a revolutionary dreamer with visions of a communist utopia. Deng was a pragmatist; what is happening today began with his vision and actions.
And for all those who think war is as sanitised as Hollywood makes it, with all the uplifting jingoism of Red Dawn, forget it. It is a dirty, messy, ugly, miserable business.
http://thediplomat.com/flashpoints-blog/2012/12/11/a-new-gameplan-for-chinas-nuclear-arsenal/
http://allthingsnuclear.org/is-xi-jinping-changing-chinese-nuclear-weapons-policy/
http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/...retary-of-state-kerry-can-thwart-slide-to-war
I met three Chinese at one of the best universities in the world and all three of them harbored a deep hatred towards Japan. We're talking about "highly educated" (and no doubt well connected) Chinese kids in their early twenties who have constantly been brainwashed since childhood about past Japanese atrocities. In every other sense these Chinese students were intelligent and articulate, which was alarming to say the least.
It dangerous when such deep seated views are held about another nation when individually they have little or no contact with the people of that other nation. Many Chinese seem to want to settle old disputes, and the more the political elite lose their grip on events domestically the greater their willingness to emphasize the greater external enemy and ramp up tensions with Japan.
It dangerous when such deep seated views are held about another nation when individually they have little or no contact with the people of that other nation. Many Chinese seem to want to settle old disputes, and the more the political elite lose their grip on events domestically the greater their willingness to emphasize the greater external enemy and ramp up tensions with Japan.
"one of the best universities in the world"?Quote from benwm:
I met three Chinese at one of the best universities in the world and all three of them harbored a deep hatred towards Japan. We're talking about "highly educated" (and no doubt well connected) Chinese kids in their early twenties who have constantly been brainwashed since childhood about past Japanese atrocities. In every other sense these Chinese students were intelligent and articulate, which was alarming to say the least.
It dangerous when such deep seated views are held about another nation when individually they have little or no contact with the people of that other nation. Many Chinese seem to want to settle old disputes, and the more the political elite lose their grip on events domestically the greater their willingness to emphasize the greater external enemy and ramp up tensions with Japan.
must not be that good if it attracts those kind of people
most likely
it is a magnet for world losers
Quote from benwm:
I met three Chinese at one of the best universities in the world and all three of them harbored a deep hatred towards Japan. We're talking about "highly educated" (and no doubt well connected) Chinese kids in their early twenties who have constantly been brainwashed since childhood about past Japanese atrocities. In every other sense these Chinese students were intelligent and articulate, which was alarming to say the least.
It dangerous when such deep seated views are held about another nation when individually they have little or no contact with the people of that other nation. Many Chinese seem to want to settle old disputes, and the more the political elite lose their grip on events domestically the greater their willingness to emphasize the greater external enemy and ramp up tensions with Japan.
I agree with you completely about the dangers of such views, though I am not sure I would characterise that as brainwashed. China suffered immensely in World War 2 and they tend to have a long view of things. It might be difficult finding Russians with nice things to say about Germans.
My parents both suffered in that war, my mother especially as she was interned by the Japanese (in Singapore) because she was classified as an enemy alien. They were not bitter, indeed when my mother visited Japan in the '60s she thought that they were rather nice on an individual level. But you never heard them say much about the war and the Japanese, other than occasionally recounting the horrors they went through.
As to your point about people to people contact, that is immensely important. I spent a year working with a Japanese CEO, a chap who collected antique maps as a hobby. He was without a doubt the finest gentleman I have ever met. When I subsequently worked with other Japanese executives, that experience made the interactions so much easier.
"they"? so that's the way those Chinese areQuote from justrading:
I agree with you completely about the dangers of such views, though I am not sure I would characterise that as brainwashed. China suffered immensely in World War 2 and they tend to have a long view of things. It might be difficult finding Russians with nice things to say about Germans.
My parents both suffered in that war, my mother especially as she was interned by the Japanese (in Singapore) because she was classified as an enemy alien. They were not bitter, indeed when my mother visited Japan in the '60s she thought that they were rather nice on an individual level. But you never heard them say much about the war and the Japanese, other than occasionally recounting the horrors they went through.
As to your point about people to people contact, that is immensely important. I spent a year working with a Japanese CEO, a chap who collected antique maps as a hobby. He was without a doubt the finest gentleman I have ever met. When I subsequently worked with other Japanese executives, that experience made the interactions so much easier.
and how are "those Americans"?
just between you and me
I hear those blacks like to eat a lot of fried chicken
That's why I like Swedish girls
all they want to do is screw