World's "most-quoted" Climatologist says carbon-dioxide-based global warming is Bunk

[wilburbear]

Quote from jonnysharp:

Debating whether global warming is man-made or not is pointless. Whats important is that we become more efficient as a species and that means using re-newable, clean energy to power our needs.

We have 2 paths;

1) we conclude that global warming could well and truly not be man made therefore we should sit still and not worry because there is nothing we can do to stop this natural process anyway

or

2) we conclude that global warming could be man made and therefore we take the path of least regret and move towards cleaner sources of energy and a more environmental biased economy migating the risk that we are wrong in the above conclusion whilst becoming more efficient in our ways.

As a elitetrader I see the risk/reward being in conclusion # 2 -> the path of least regret.

Peace.

I like this post in that it ackowledges global warming may not be real. Global warming is not Science.

 

[Jayford]

Quote from Cache Landing:

Didn't that recent documentary have polar bears swimming for like a couple days straight. Felt bad for the one they were tracking. Swims all the way over to where the walruses are and gets mortally wounded trying to kill one of them.

Yep, same show. Point being, they have to swim further now, and some of em don't make it.

 

[pattersb]

Quote from traderNik:

I was going to leave it alone, but now that I see the above post, I must say that it's quite telling that this thread attracted jem, pattersb and ratboy in support. That right there tells you something about the premise.

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LOL

pattersb apparently thinks better of it and deletes his post minutes after submitting it. Too bad I quoted it before you could delete it, huh?

Predictable.

traderNik, the moral compass ....


in your day-to-day, are you and have you often been refered to as a self-righteous prick?


Let me ask, how is it predictable that I'd delete a post that I thought better of posting?

 

[jem]

tradernik you fool.

I have volunteered my attorney time to work for environmental causes related to bays and oceans.

i have been in court attempting to clean up San Diego Bay as attorney of record for the plaintiffs. (volunteered my time). You can be in favor of a cleaner environment and not be a nutbag.

 

[pattersb]

it is ironic that the person that patrols this board with the intention of rooting out bigotry is one of the most bigotted...


The very idea that 0.04% of the atomosphere could have a significant heating trapping effect is mind-boggling. Maybe during the winters sitting in the attic and breathing would keep the house warm.

Loud mouth politicians and dingbat celebrities can't speed up scientific discovery. Energy production is getting cleaner every day.

Here is a fascinating glimpse into the future: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_000630.html

 

[Cache Landing]

As I understand it, many of the climatologists concede the point that CO2 makes up only a small fraction of the warming effect. They are focussing on CO2 because they believe that it is a trigger.

I'm not saying that I agree with this, but I think the scenario goes like this...

More CO2 ---> More water vapor ---> Slightly warmer polar temps ---> Melting ice caps ---> Less reflected light (more absorbed ---> rapidly increasing temps.

Something like that?

My question is, if they are concerned about water vapor, why don't they scream about how much steam comes from cars and factories?

 

[pattersb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

.....One of the most pronounced feedback effects relates to the evaporation of water. CO2 injected into the atmosphere causes a warming of the atmosphere and the earth's surface. The warming causes more water to be evaporated into the atmosphere. Since water vapor itself acts as a greenhouse gas, this causes still more warming; the warming causes more water vapor to be evaporated, and so forth until a new dynamic equilibrium concentration of water vapor is reached at a slight increase in humidity and with a much larger greenhouse effect than that due to CO2 alone....



Call me biased, I prefer to hear from the experts not predicting catastrophic doom... or from people who refer to humans as a virus or plague.

 

[archipus]

Quote from traderNik:

Even if the overwhelming preponderance of evidence, both anecdotal and scientific, were not clearly indicating that CO2 emissions are causing the total ice mass of the planet to plummet, the above would be true.

Yeah, reducing CO2 emissions and seeking cleaner alternatives to hydrocarbons is a shitty idea. All part of a global left-wing, anti-capitalist conspiracy.

If it is so overwhelming, then why do some of the most acclaimed climatologists call it "bunk"?

It's interesting that the same people who find this and other so called rock solid scientific conclusions such as evolution can look at a picture of what occurs during a partial birth abortion and be unable to find any evidence that anything untoward is going on. So much for their ability to spirit out relevant information.

And could you tell us exactly who it is that is stopping you from using more hydrocarbons? The correct answer is "nobody". It is when you and your left wing friends attempt to use the force of law to stop others from using them that one can quite rationally refer to it as a "left wing, anti-capitalist" conspiracy.

 

[Jayford]

Quote from Cache Landing:

As I understand it, many of the climatologists concede the point that c2 makes up only a small fraction of the warming effect. They are focussing on CO2 because they believe that it is a trigger.

I'm not saying that I agree with this, but I think the scenario goes like this...

More CO2 ---> More water vapor --->Slightly warmer polar temps ---> Melting ice caps ---> Less reflected light (more absorbed ---> rapidly increasing temps.

Something like that?

My question is, if they are concerned about water vapor, why don't they scream about how much steam comes from cars and factories?

Actually, more water vapor means more clouds, which prevent heating. The nights may be warmer, but clouds prevent the days from getting really hot in the first place. Scientists are battling over this one. Some have "computer models" that predict heating. Computer models also predicted 7 hurricane landfalls last year. Actual = ZERO. They can't even predict one year out!

Point is, it is so complex that no one has a clue what effect CO2 has, if any. It is PC to consider it a fact that humans are creating the problem however. Everyone on the street "knows" this to be true. There exists approximately zero evidence showing this to be true, only a correlation between CO2 and rising temps. This means nothing as temps have been rising for a few hundred years, and were actually in retreat in the 40's through 70's, while CO2 was growing. Most people like to ignore that fact though.

I say cut pollution for its own sake, and reforest where ever possible. Unfortunately, this doesn't create the urgency to do anything.

BTW, its China you really have to worry about. They are going to pass the US in greenhouse emissions this year, three years ahead of schedule, and are creating coal plants like there is no tomorrow. With an econ still 10% that of the USA!

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from pattersb:

Let me ask, how is it predictable that I'd delete a post that I thought better of posting?

It was predictable that you conceived and executed a plan as juvenille as that. That is my only point. As I said, I saw that the Three Stooges were the first ones to reply here but I had the restraint to refrain from mentioning it. Only after I saw your toilet post did I point out the obvious.

At any rate, you have apologized to me before for posting in an inappropriate manner, so I'll let this slide as well. Forgiveness is not only a Christian value.

As far as you, jem... didn't we establish that you actually aren't an attorney? I thought that your semi-literacy, as evidenced by your frequent and rudimentary spelling errors, confirmed this? Please correct me if I am wrong.