WORLD WIDE SOVERIEGN DEBT FORGIVENESS, An ET Roundtable

Quote from d08:

It might not be full scale war but in your scenario there's plenty of motivation on other sides to cause serious consequences. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who has studied scenarios such as this, your view is a very naive and primitive one where the other side simply accepts the situation - hardly how things go in reality.

Good point when things are still stable, let chaos break out and everything is on the table.


Rennick Alan Poe out:cool:
 
Quote from d08:

It might not be full scale war but in your scenario there's plenty of motivation on other sides to cause serious consequences. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who has studied scenarios such as this, your view is a very naive and primitive one where the other side simply accepts the situation - hardly how things go in reality.

You were saying those 3 countries would end up paying for some deaths in WW2 (relevance?) if they bitch about it. How would you enforce that if not with threat of war? Remember, debt has no meaning anymore as per the first move you suggested.

Then we don't enforce it. We just tell them we're even.
 
Quote from oldtime:

well, they might be able to work some kind of deal out with China or Japan, but the Good Lord help them if my mother doesn't get her monthly check from her Ginnie Mae fund.

Kind of hard to mow down a million senior citizens marching on Washington.

Exactly, we take care of our own.
 
Quote from William Rennick:

Exactly, we take care of our own.
isn't that kind of racist, or something like that? We'll sell you a bond, but if you don't have papers proving you are American, we might not pay the principal.
 
Quote from William Rennick:

$1T a year? Sounds great but how? The deficits are rising. Obama's best solution is $1.6 T in cuts over 10 years. The raising of taxes on high enders brings in less than $100B a year.

According to various estimates Bakken Valley alone has useable oil in it worth anywhere from $5T to $50T. Hence no reason for US to declare bankruptcy anytime soon. By 2018, US will surpass Saudi Arabia as the largest producer of oil. Highly likely that in addition to saving $1T a year for domestic consumption, US might even be earning another $500B a year by exporting to energy hungry nations like China and India and even Africa which is supposed to go into faster economic growth by 2020 or so. :D

Also, forgot to add the natural gas that comes with the oil extraction.

US public only needs to be afraid of its politicians in the DC and state capitals. :D
 
Quote from oldtime:

isn't that kind of racist, or something like that? We'll sell you a bond, but if you don't have papers proving you are American, we might not pay the principal.


Hahaha, racism is the last thing those greedy bastards are going to be worried about. Sure they'll be pissed but what are they going to do? Here in GA we've had a number of banks that went under where people lost everything FDIC didn't cover, including fortunes in bank stock. Sure, these high enders took a big hit, but they licked their wounds and life goes on. None of them got violent to my knowledge, so the creditor nations shouldn't be a problem either. We'll use the savings to beef up the military if they do :D
 
Quote from toc:

According to various estimates Bakken Valley alone has useable oil in it worth anywhere from $5T to $50T. Hence no reason for US to declare bankruptcy anytime soon. By 2018, US will surpass Saudi Arabia as the largest producer of oil. Highly likely that in addition to saving $1T a year for domestic consumption, US might even be earning another $500B a year by exporting to energy hungry nations like China and India and even Africa which is supposed to go into faster economic growth by 2020 or so. :D

I like this Guy :) This does put a new paint job on things..under this projection the tables will turn in 10 years and we can demand higher interest rates on our foreign bond purchases :D :D :D
 
Quote from William Rennick:

Hahaha, racism is the last thing those greedy bastards are going to be worried about. Sure they'll be pissed but what are they going to do? Here in GA we've had a number of banks that went under where people lost everything FDIC didn't cover, including fortunes in bank stock. Sure, these high enders took a big hit, but they licked their wounds and life goes on. None of them got violent to my knowledge, so the creditor nations shouldn't be a problem either. We'll use the savings to beef up the military if they do :D
it's not even in the fine print. Everybody knows you are only covered up to 250k by the FDIC. So if you had more than that in a failed bank you knew ahead of time what the risk was.

A Treasury Bond is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States of America.

You are getting really crazy. In your demented world, a bond means something if you are a US citizen, but it means something else if you are non US.

When I sell things, I don't really care what the nationality is of the buyer.
 
Quote from William Rennick:

What's the alternative? Bankrupt trading partners that won't be able to buy their goods? It's just worthless paper anyway. Who wants to go to war over that or would be dumb enough to declare it against us?

A cleaning of the slate with a guarantee of solvent nations and balanced budgets is a much better alternative to the chaos and abyss we are heading for.

The netting process leaves everyone with zero purchasing power. It only works if some are left standing. It's musical chairs w/o the chairs.

As Mav stated we must inflate under a fiat system. You house may be worth millions but cars will hit six-figure averages. It's a more palatable SoL as it's subtle, but you mint millionaires who can't afford a vacation, as wages lack convexity. The result is a country filled with the "rich" who have no purchasing power and are forced into further debt cycles to maintain some semblance of an acceptable SoL and PPP.
 
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