World Leaders Producing 300,000 Tons of Carbon By Traveling To Climate Summit In Paris

[jem]

Sometimes... I wonder if the Pope is not getting the message on this population issue.
This story below combined with the parable of the talents always stops me from being complacent. I think he obviously does well by the parable of the talents but I think he is rowing the wrong rowboat.

Additionally if the Pope and all these others are concerned about global warming... they really need to make sure that all these billions don't emigrate to 1st world nations or become 1st worlders. Otherwise their co2 footprints will go up approximately 10 fold.



I Sent You a Rowboat


A very religious man was once caught in rising floodwaters. He climbed onto the roof of his house and trusted God to rescue him. A neighbour came by in a canoe and said, “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll paddle to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A short time later the police came by in a boat. “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll take you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

A little time later a rescue services helicopter hovered overhead, let down a rope ladder and said. “The waters will soon be above your house. Climb the ladder and we’ll fly you to safety.”

“No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me”

All this time the floodwaters continued to rise, until soon they reached above the roof and the religious man drowned. When he arrived at heaven he demanded an audience with God. Ushered into God’s throne room he said, “Lord, why am I here in heaven? I prayed for you to save me, I trusted you to save me from that flood.”

“Yes you did my child” replied the Lord. “And I sent you a canoe, a boat and a helicopter. But you never got in.”

Jem, thanks for posting the population graph! I think birth control is the single most effective thing we could do world wide to slow our human impact on the environment. The obvious conclusion, we must get rid of the Pope! A mini neutron bomb detonated at the Vatican would do it and preserve all the beautiful artifacts and buildings. It would only make a small part of the rest of Rome radioactive. A small price to pay for liquidation of His Holiness. (Just kidding, in case the NSA is listening) [To bad Richard Nixon's dream weapon isn't available off the DOD shelf. We'll have to get Pantex ginned up with a big Contract. The Republicans are gonna love this.]

 

[Ricter]

Does the constant temperature over the past 17 years while CO2 has continued to rise worry you?

No, because that is false.

 

[gwb-trading]

No, because that is false.

You have a very odd definition of "false" - Do you have any raw temperature data to support your assertion. Anyone can adjust their data to fabricate their assertion - it's called scientific fraud. However if we go directly to the raw measured temperature data the results show no rise.

Where I live the temperature equipment at RDU airport is used as the official NOAA reporting station. 20 years ago the RDU airport temperature was accurate. Now the equipment at RDU is always 3 to 5 degrees above all the other local readings, it appears to rise every year. On all the local stations, the TV meteorologists are always saying "there must be something wrong with the equipment out at the airport".

 

[Ricter]

You have a very odd definition of "false" - Do you have any raw temperature data to support your assertion. Anyone can adjust their data to fabricate their assertion - it's called scientific fraud. However if we go directly to the raw measured temperature data the results show no rise.

Where I live the temperature equipment at RDU airport is used as the official NOAA reporting station. 20 years ago the RDU airport temperature was accurate. Now the equipment at RDU is always 3 to 5 degrees above all the other local readings, it appears to rise every year. On all the local stations, the TV meteorologists are always saying "there must be something wrong with the equipment out at the airport".

I have a very mainstream definition of false. Your stories simply don't have the weight of the published science. Yeah yeah, scientists are frauds, etc. But maybe your sources are frauds. If I had to bet, or make a stock pick, based on what I read and from whom, I sure as hell wouldn't bet there's a global warming hiatus.

Global warming hiatus

"A global warming hiatus,[3] also sometimes referred to as a global warming pause[4] or a global warming slowdown,[5] is a period of relatively little change in globally averaged surface temperatures.[6] In the current episode of global warming many such periods are evident in the surface temperature record, along with robust evidence of the long term warming trend.[3]

"The exceptionally warm El Niño year of 1998 was an outlier from the continuing temperature trend, and so gave the appearance of a hiatus: by January 2006 assertions had been made that this showed that global warming had stopped.[4] A 2009 study showed that decades without warming were not exceptional,[7] and in 2011 a study showed that if allowances were made for known variability, the rising temperature trend continued unabated.[7] There was increased public interest in 2013 in the run-up to publication of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, and despite concerns that a 15-year period was too short to determine a meaningful trend, the IPCC included a section on a hiatus,[8] which it defined as a much smaller increasing linear trend over the 15 years from 1998 to 2012, than over the 60 years from 1951 to 2012.[1] Various studies examined possible causes of the short term slowdown. Even though the overall climate system had continued to accumulate energy due to Earth's positive energy budget,[6][9] the available temperature readings at the earth's surface indicated slower rates of increase in surface warming than in the prior decade. Since measurements at the top of the atmosphere show that Earth is receiving more energy than it is radiating back into space, the retained energy should be producing warming in at least one of the five parts of Earth's climate system.[6]

"A July 2015 paper on the updated NOAA dataset cast doubt on the existence of this supposed hiatus, and found no indication of a slowdown.[10][11] This analysis incorporated the latest corrections for known biases in ocean temperature measurements, and new land temperature data. Scientists working on other datasets welcomed this study, though the view was expressed that the short term warming trend had been slower than in previous periods of the same length.[12] A review of scientific literature by Bristol University in November 2015 found "no substantive evidence" of a pause in global warming.[13][14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus

This is not to say you are certainly wrong, but that is "the way to bet".
: )

 

[futurecurrents]

If you want to get down to tenths of degrees C or less, then yes it will warm it, all other factors unchanged. But of course all other factors won't be the same. I am concerned only with significant change. Since we have no evidence whatsoever that changing CO2 by 4 molecules in 10,000 compared to other factors has had any effect on temperature and climate, I wouldn't be much concerned about these small changes in CO2. We should be far more concerned with air quality and air pollution than we are with small changes in CO2. One of the good things that will come from these climate lunatics is a reduction in coal fired powered generation, and hopefully a resurgence in nuclear plant building. That should be a great help in cleaning up the air, particularly in countries where they don't scrub the stack emissions.

Does the constant temperature over the past 17 years while CO2 has continued to rise worry you?

"Does the constant temperature over the past 17 years while CO2 has continued to rise worry you?"

Holy crap I can't believe that you just said this..but I can.

That's it. There is no question at all that you are just a fucking goddamn liar.

You're right we won't be moving on. There is no point arguing with someone who intentionally lies. Seriously, what the hell is your deal?

 

[futurecurrents]

I have a very mainstream definition of false. Your stories simply don't have the weight of the published science. Yeah yeah, scientists are frauds, etc. But maybe your sources are frauds. If I had to bet, or make a stock pick, based on what I read and from whom, I sure as hell wouldn't bet there's a global warming hiatus.

Global warming hiatus

"A global warming hiatus,[3] also sometimes referred to as a global warming pause[4] or a global warming slowdown,[5] is a period of relatively little change in globally averaged surface temperatures.[6] In the current episode of global warming many such periods are evident in the surface temperature record, along with robust evidence of the long term warming trend.[3]

"The exceptionally warm El Niño year of 1998 was an outlier from the continuing temperature trend, and so gave the appearance of a hiatus: by January 2006 assertions had been made that this showed that global warming had stopped.[4] A 2009 study showed that decades without warming were not exceptional,[7] and in 2011 a study showed that if allowances were made for known variability, the rising temperature trend continued unabated.[7] There was increased public interest in 2013 in the run-up to publication of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, and despite concerns that a 15-year period was too short to determine a meaningful trend, the IPCC included a section on a hiatus,[8] which it defined as a much smaller increasing linear trend over the 15 years from 1998 to 2012, than over the 60 years from 1951 to 2012.[1] Various studies examined possible causes of the short term slowdown. Even though the overall climate system had continued to accumulate energy due to Earth's positive energy budget,[6][9] the available temperature readings at the earth's surface indicated slower rates of increase in surface warming than in the prior decade. Since measurements at the top of the atmosphere show that Earth is receiving more energy than it is radiating back into space, the retained energy should be producing warming in at least one of the five parts of Earth's climate system.[6]

"A July 2015 paper on the updated NOAA dataset cast doubt on the existence of this supposed hiatus, and found no indication of a slowdown.[10][11] This analysis incorporated the latest corrections for known biases in ocean temperature measurements, and new land temperature data. Scientists working on other datasets welcomed this study, though the view was expressed that the short term warming trend had been slower than in previous periods of the same length.[12] A review of scientific literature by Bristol University in November 2015 found "no substantive evidence" of a pause in global warming.[13][14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus

This is not to say you are certainly wrong, but that is "the way to bet".
: )

Why are you so circumspect with him? He's a fucking liar, simple. Like Trump. At some point we have to call liars liars. Piezoe is a liar. He is too smart to excuse him due to ignorance as we can with most of the deniers here.

 

[Ricter]

Why are you so circumspect with him? He's a fucking liar, simple. Like Trump. At some point we have to call liars liars. Piezoe is a liar. He is too smart to excuse him due to ignorance as we can with most of the deniers here.

Well, why not be circumspect? He convincing me wouldn't be a difference that makes a difference. They and we are not at the table, not in the room, not even attending by speakerphone.
: )

 

[futurecurrents]

Well, why not be circumspect? He convincing me wouldn't be a difference that makes a difference. They and we are not at the table, not in the room, not even attending by speakerphone.
: )

Excuse me, I guess I'm envious of your patience

I place too much importance on this stupid forum. But the kind of lying piehole is doing is the same as the others, and if it meant little I would not mind, but on aggregate the lies impede progress toward reducing the greatest threat to life on earth.

Those kinds of lies infuriate me.

Have you seen enough to agree with me that he is a liar?

 

[Ricter]

Excuse me, I guess I'm envious of your patience

I place too much importance on this stupid forum. But the kind of lying piehole is doing is the same as the others, and if it meant little I would not mind, but on aggregate the lies impede progress toward reducing the greatest threat to life on earth.

Those kinds of lies infuriate me.

Have you seen enough to agree with me that he is a liar?

Can't say they're liars because I'm not sure they don't believe what they say.

But at least one is definitely trolling you, posting pics of big snowfalls and such.
: )

 

[futurecurrents]

Can't say they're liars because I'm not sure they don't believe what they say.

But at least one is definitely trolling you, posting pics of big snowfalls and such.
: )

I'm talking about pie. It is obvious to me that he is simply lying. Isn't it to you at this point? This last thing about the "pause in temps" just further confirms that he really has no interest in an honest discussion.