With a 40k account.

Quote from ak15:

Meanwhile, I (not just me of course) am long on one trade from 3 weeks earlier and am ready to nail down profits


You must be trading retail if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, I am trading an individual account.
 
Quote from Grob109:

There is a possibility to consider what is there to make.

For position trading stocks.

In stocks you could look at the price change per day that is occurring in a set of stocks that you might choose to trade. Look at it as a percentage. Money is made by price change so that is a place to look.

This gives you a way of seeing how your daily profits in your account will be building up.

Once you examine this, then you can apply it to the annual income you will be receiving. This is determined by the compound interest formula in general.

Since people have to work up to being good traders you will not make what the market offers to you for several reasons. You can make a list of all these reasons and then consider what happens when you get that particular reason to not matter anymore.

You can see that all the above expressed as logic is not easily understood or turned into a practical set of things to do as a regime.

But it is true that you do have the ability to examine issues and one by one get organized to make money.

Some self examination questions are helpful:

1. Why don't I consider or make use of the most powerful money maker in the compound interest formula?

2. Why did I focus on the daily take? How much is it costing me to do this?

3 and 4. How important is the initial capital and when should I take it out of my account forever? Why?

5. and 6. Why don't I have a method of finding the best money makers to trade in stocks? Do scalpers even trade any good money makers?

For commodities see if you can get the daily take from the following chart. I numbered the trades for you (the point where profits are taken and the next trade begins.) Use the 40,000 for margin to trade 10 contracts. Make a list from 1 to 30 and write down the number of points for each. Then add the points and multiply by 50 dollars per point. Then multiple by 10 for 10 contracts. You will find that the total days profit for last friday in the attachment is a good size number. The market H - L = about 7 points for the day.

Divide the profit for the day by the 40,000 dollars of margin in your account at the beginning of the day.

Keep adding contracts until you get to about 30 or so and hold on that number for the rest of the time. This means that you will be dumping so many dollars weekly into another account (stock trading).

The stock trading account can handle about 8 streams of 100,000 shares each before you have to go to another level of investing (sector rotation @ 4% a week for 4 to 6 week holds.)

All these are moot points as relating to the OP since he trades prop.
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Your loss should be confined to no more than $800 per trade.


He is expecting to make $400....that's certainly the ceiling of what he thinks is possible...and you'd risk $800. Brilliant advice.

To the original poster. First, anything is possible. Making 400 per day on a 40k account is doable, assuming you have a model or strategy for trading that will produce those results, and you are capable of trading that model with very few errors. Your best chances of accomplishing this is through short term, intraday trading. Small profits, a little more size, and enough trades to give you a good expectation.

Second, please take everyone on here with a grain of salt. Some of these guys make a few good trades, or have a good month, or read a few books, and suddenly they are experts in this field. There are many capable and good traders on here, search them out, verify that the trader is truely walking the walk, then use them as a model for success.

Good luck!
 
Quote from mschey:

He is expecting to make $400....that's certainly the ceiling of what he thinks is possible...and you'd risk $800. Brilliant advice.

To the original poster. First, anything is possible. Making 400 per day on a 40k account is doable, assuming you have a model or strategy for trading that will produce those results, and you are capable of trading that model with very few errors. Your best chances of accomplishing this is through short term, intraday trading. Small profits, a little more size, and enough trades to give you a good expectation.

Second, please take everyone on here with a grain of salt. Some of these guys make a few good trades, or have a good month, or read a few books, and suddenly they are experts in this field. There are many capable and good traders on here, search them out, verify that the trader is truely walking the walk, then use them as a model for success.

Good luck!


Thank you. I know I have a lot of learning to do.
 
Quote from tyler19:

2000, and they give 20:1

Let me say something about margin. A friend of mine asked me about a year ago if I would trade FX futures for him. He wanted to put 20,000 in an account and give me the password etc. I refused. He had read that he might be able to trade 5 positions overnight with 20,000 in the Euro FX. What I told him was that if he opened the account for 125,000 and did not touch it, that I would trade it for him using one lot only. He agreed, but before I would trade it, I asked him to deposit the money, then wait 2 months so that we could pull a credit bureau first and I could also interview his family members so I could determine whether or not he had borrowed the money. Once convinced he was on the up and up, I began trading the account. In the first 2 weeks, the account was up 16,000 and although we couldn't quite keep up that pace, the account is now 205,600. Not bad using one lot. Due to his aggressiveness, I have used a little bit of day( and night) trading using hourly analysis to get the account to this point. In addition , I have sold call premium( generally 2 calls to the underlying position--note my name) to subsidize the account, which actually decreases the exposure lower than 1 to 1. Margin is not necessary to successful trading. :)
 
Quote from mschey:

He is expecting to make $400....that's certainly the ceiling of what he thinks is possible...and you'd risk $800. Brilliant advice.


Just a quick note-- I am advising him not to expect 400 per day, so your premise is incorrect. I would be advising him, that if he risked 800, he should at least knock down 2400. It can be less than that of of course as he trails stops closer to the trade.
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Let me say something about margin. A friend of mine asked me about a year ago if I would trade FX futures for him. He wanted to put 20,000 in an account and give me the password etc. I refused. He had read that he might be able to trade 5 positions overnight with 20,000 in the Euro FX. What I told him was that if he opened the account for 125,000 and did not touch it, that I would trade it for him using one lot only. He agreed, but before I would trade it, I asked him to deposit the money, then wait 2 months so that we could pull a credit bureau first and I could also interview his family members so I could determine whether or not he had borrowed the money. Once convinced he was on the up and up, I began trading the account. In the first 2 weeks, the account was up 16,000 and although we couldn't quite keep up that pace, the account is now 205,600. Not bad using one lot. Due to his aggressiveness, I have used a little bit of day( and night) trading using hourly analysis to get the account to this point. In addition , I have sold call premium( generally 2 calls to the underlying position--note my name) to subsidize the account, which actually decreases the exposure lower than 1 to 1. Margin is not necessary to successful trading. :)

This is hilarious actually. The OP trades prop as I pointed out earlier.
 
Quote from ak15:

This is hilarious actually. The OP trades prop as I pointed out earlier.

These points are being given for other newbies benefit as we posters are not the only ones reading. There is nothing hilarious about my post. It's deadly serious and intended to help others. :)

Note:this is a deadly serious business.
 
Quote from sosa1974:

This is the classic scenario when you aim for a fixed daily target. The pure dynamics of the market especially day to day make aiming for a specific dollar amount deadly. It looks good on paper, so leave that for the paper traders.


Very Very good points Sosa and thanks for chiming in!
 
Quote from romik:

All you can realistically hope for is supplementary income in that case, if you know what you are doing. Otherwise, I would give you 1000:1 odds of coming out on top, I am not too good with odds, maybe 10000:1

Romik, I think you're math is probably pretty close here. Good discussion!
 
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