With a 40k account.

Quote from tyler19:

2000, and they give 20:1

All you can realistically hope for is supplementary income in that case, if you know what you are doing. Otherwise, I would give you 1000:1 odds of coming out on top, I am not too good with odds, maybe 10000:1
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Ok, that is different. You can afford to lose $40 per trade. You should forget margin altogether. I rarely, if ever use margin and make a minimum 50 percent yearly. In 2004 , it was 145 percent. Margin is the road to quick ruin. Money management and a good signal are the way to keep yourself afloat, which is what first needs to be done before you can move forward.

I suspect and correct me if I am wrong, that you have already traded and lost a bit?

No I have never placed a single trade. 2000 is not enough to trade with though.
 
Quote from sunggong:

Ouch, that is tough. I thought you had 40k account with 4x BP at least (160k or more).

Since it sounds like you're talking about prop not retail, why not negotiate with them and try to get a better BP.

Do you have a consistent trading system in place? Are you a complete newbie?

complete noob.
 
Quote from romik:

All you can realistically hope for is supplementary income in that case, if you know what you are doing. Otherwise, I would give you 1000:1 odds of coming out on top, I am not too good with odds, maybe 10000:1

what does coming out on top mean to you?
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

I am being harsh purposely in order to help. If you say to yourself, can I expect to make 400 today, you will lose. Monday you make 0, Tuesday you try for 800 and make 300. Wednesday you need 900 and lose 200, Thursday you need 1500 and make 600. Now you're excited because you have finally broken through. Friday, the payroll report is coming out and you decide you should up the trade so that you can come out with 2000 for the week. You only need 1300 for that. You up the trade and decide to use a larger stop to let the trade work with the noise that you expect. You guess wrong and the market hits your wider stop anyway and you lose 4000.

Down for the week--3300. You come to ET and begin to comb threads for help over the weekend. You believe you find something and decide on Monday you will go all in from what you have discovered--


This is the classic scenario when you aim for a fixed daily target. The pure dynamics of the market especially day to day make aiming for a specific dollar amount deadly. It looks good on paper, so leave that for the paper traders.
 
Quote from tyler19:

No I have never placed a single trade. 2000 is not enough to trade with though.

Well that's good. I don't know if you are for real or not, but I would like to continue with this as it may help newer people. (If you don't mind)

Can I ask if you have other liquid assets beyond the 2000 and if so, what are they invested in?
 
Quote from Buy1Sell2:

Well that's good. I don't know if you are for real or not, but I would like to continue with this as it may help newer people. (If you don't mind)

Can I ask if you have other liquid assets beyond the 2000 and if so, what are they invested in?

I am for real. Just trying to learn as much as I can.

I have no liquid assets. I have no assets period. I'm only 20 and I am in debt. Just trying to work things out.
 
Meanwhile, I (not just me of course) am long on one trade from 3 weeks earlier and am ready to nail down profits


You must be trading retail if I'm not mistaken.
 
Quote from tyler19:

Whats an average amount that could be earned each day?

Is 400 to high?

There is a possibility to consider what is there to make.

For position trading stocks.

In stocks you could look at the price change per day that is occurring in a set of stocks that you might choose to trade. Look at it as a percentage. Money is made by price change so that is a place to look.

This gives you a way of seeing how your daily profits in your account will be building up.

Once you examine this, then you can apply it to the annual income you will be receiving. This is determined by the compound interest formula in general.

Since people have to work up to being good traders you will not make what the market offers to you for several reasons. You can make a list of all these reasons and then consider what happens when you get that particular reason to not matter anymore.

You can see that all the above expressed as logic is not easily understood or turned into a practical set of things to do as a regime.

But it is true that you do have the ability to examine issues and one by one get organized to make money.

Some self examination questions are helpful:

1. Why don't I consider or make use of the most powerful money maker in the compound interest formula?

2. Why did I focus on the daily take? How much is it costing me to do this?

3 and 4. How important is the initial capital and when should I take it out of my account forever? Why?

5. and 6. Why don't I have a method of finding the best money makers to trade in stocks? Do scalpers even trade any good money makers?

For commodities see if you can get the daily take from the following chart. I numbered the trades for you (the point where profits are taken and the next trade begins.) Use the 40,000 for margin to trade 10 contracts. Make a list from 1 to 30 and write down the number of points for each. Then add the points and multiply by 50 dollars per point. Then multiple by 10 for 10 contracts. You will find that the total days profit for last friday in the attachment is a good size number. The market H - L = about 7 points for the day.

Divide the profit for the day by the 40,000 dollars of margin in your account at the beginning of the day.

Keep adding contracts until you get to about 30 or so and hold on that number for the rest of the time. This means that you will be dumping so many dollars weekly into another account (stock trading).

The stock trading account can handle about 8 streams of 100,000 shares each before you have to go to another level of investing (sector rotation @ 4% a week for 4 to 6 week holds.)
 

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Quote from tyler19:

I am for real. Just trying to learn as much as I can.

I have no liquid assets. I have no assets period. I'm only 20 and I am in debt. Just trying to work things out.

Ok. Stay away from the markets and just do simulations. If you ever do get into trading, I would advise not using margin, but if you have to , please do not use anything more than 3 to 1. You should find markets where you can do this. With 2000, it may only be the cash forex market--I don't know as I don't trade that--only futures. I would use position trading and stay in positions for long periods of time so that slippage is not a concern(terrible in the forex is what I've heard) and commissions are not as much of a concern. The bottom line though is to first learn to set risks accordingly, then with a good entry signal, you WILL make money. --just not 400 a day.
 
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