Wiretapping: New Event Introduced

Max E. Pad said:
Dear Mainstream Media: YOU Made DeepStateGate Happen

CNN checked in on the Trump-Obama surveillance story Monday morning and seemed profoundly confused about what is actually going on:
An incendiary idea first put forward by right-wing radio host Mark Levin is now burning across Washington, fanned by President Trump’s tweets and a huge number of supportive commentators and websites — even though the facts don’t back up the conclusion.

Breitbart News has given the conspiracy theory a name: “DeepStateGate.” Others are going with “ObamaGate.” And Fox News host Sean Hannity is asking: “What did OBAMA know and when did he know it???”

Levin’s original idea, advanced on Thursday, was that former President Barack Obama and his allies have mounted a “silent coup” against Trump using “police state” tactics. Levin cherry-picked news stories that supported his thesis and omitted information that cut against it.

The next day, Rush Limbaugh echoed Levin’s “silent coup” language, and Breitbart columnist Joel Pollak published an “expanded version of that case.”

That’s how the idea reached Trump’s radar. The Breitbart article “circulated” in the West Wing, a White House official told CNN’s Jeff Zeleny, and the information “infuriated” Trump.


To be clear, Levin and Limbaugh and Pollak didn’t publish any original reporting. They merely claimed to have connected some dots. [Emphasis mine]

Perhaps CNN’s writers should read their own copy more carefully and save themselves some befuddlement. This isn’t an “incendiary idea put forth by right-wing radio host Mark Levin,” right-wing columnist Joel Pollak, or Joel’s merry right-wing sidekick, Yours Truly. We’re all just reading stories the mainstream media pumped out with frantic speed over the past few months.

You made DeepStateGate happen, mainstream media. You ran thinly-sourced scuttlebutt from your old pals in the Obama administration to keep your precious “Russia stole the election from Hillary!” narrative alive. You led your readers to believe it was all hard news, based on solid intel from trustworthy sources. As I noted on Sunday, sometimes you buried “this is all groundless hearsay” disclaimers six paragraphs into the stories, but the headlines screamed about the wiretaps that angered President Trump.

Here, for example, is a nice catch from right-wing raconteur Raheem Kassam, the right-wing editor of the right-wing Breitbart London division of right-wing Breitbart News:

Mmmhmmm. pic.twitter.com/YjUR2BC6mT

— Raheem Kassam (@RaheemKassam) March 6, 2017



That headline, “Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides,” was most assuredly not a right-wing production, and it’s not even slightly ambiguous about the existence of wiretapping. Jeff Dunetz at The Lid couldn’t help noticing that the exact same reporter who wrote that New York Times piece in January is now claiming, right in his headlines, that Trump has “no evidence” of the very same wiretaps he reported as established fact just two months ago.

“This is the ultimate in liberal media bias. In January Michael S. Schmidt perpetuated the rumor that team Trump had Russian connections, and to support his point he said that Trump’s people were wiretapped. However when President Trump claimed his people were wiretapped, the same guy, Michael S. Schmidt, said there was no evidence,” Dunetz observes.

This is backpedaling on a scale one would only expect to see if a pack of velociraptors appeared at the finish line of the Tour de France. It doesn’t help that reporters slipped a few “none of this can be confirmed” caveats into their stories — caveats that were, of course, left out by the many social media loudspeakers that blasted their incendiary headlines into Twitter streams and Facebook feeds.

There were always cracks in the media’s Trump-Russia stories. As of yesterday, the cracks became more important than the stories. Suddenly the media is shrieking at us for daring to take their coverage seriously.

The problem with major media coverage of intelligence stories is that top officials and policymakers always have more information than the public. The mainstream press has gone so berserk with anonymous leaks since Trump won the 2016 election that We the People have no logical means of fully evaluating anything they write. We don’t know who the sources for these stories are, or what their agenda is — although skeptical readers can guess, based on how most of these anonymous leaks cut against the new White House.

Kellyanne Conway made this point on Fox & Friends Monday, when she argued that President Trump “has information and intelligence that the rest of us do not”:

"He's the President of the United States. He has information and intelligence that the rest of us do not." –@KellyannePolls pic.twitter.com/r0cSE7IkSL

— FOX & friends (@foxandfriends) March 6, 2017



We’ve heard such assertions many times before, from both sides of the partisan divide. For example, the defenders of NSA surveillance operations insisted they were useful for preserving national security, but they couldn’t give us the classified details that would prove it. Critics had the same problem from the opposite direction. Many national security and law enforcement debates end with assurances that our top men and women know things they can’t tell us about.

Until now, media coverage has been driven by anonymous leakers who assured us they know things they can’t tell us about, peddling a few juicy tidbits they weren’t supposed to talk about. The President of the United States is very well situated to play that game too.

If Trump is strictly going by the reports from big media outlets and their favorite leakers, whose fault is it that he became convinced the Obama administration was spying on him? Mark Levin hit that point in his response to the CNN article:

I simply put together the stories that YOUR profession reported, on the public record. Do you deny there were two FISA applications? Do you deny the first was turned down? Do you deny the second was approved? It’s called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. It is about surveillance. The fact that we cannot discern all the details because of the secrecy, except for what the media have revealed and selective leaks by the government, should cause you to want to know more, not to trash those who point it out.

And yes, we can make several logical implications based on events and experience. A FISA application is a big deal. One, or two in this case, that involve campaign surrogates, or a server or computer related to a candidate or campaign, etc., is a big deal. President Obama’s statement is not a definitive statement of anything, other than he, personally, did not order a wiretap, which I never claimed. But that does not mean he was unaware of surveillance activity by several of his departments, even through routine reports to the president, such as the Daily Intel Briefing or information conveyed to him or his staff via the Justice Department re the FBI counter-intelligence activities.

Levin noted that in the course of denying any FISA surveillance was conducted against Trump Tower, James Clapper also said “no connections between the Russians and the Trump campaign have been found.” That is … rather different from the conclusion one would reach by ingesting mainstream media coverage over the past few months, isn’t it?

Perhaps CNN should take a break from sneering at “right-wing conspiracy theories” and take a look at what left-wing blogs have been saying about the Trump-Russia story. Until yesterday, they were firmly convinced that extensive surveillance was conducted against Trump and his campaign, and it produced all kinds of damaging information.

President Trump is gambling a good deal of credibility with his accusation of Obama wiretapping. The Obama officials and Big Media outlets sitting across the table from him don’t have much credibility to ante up against him. Complicated controversies usually have complex outcomes, so the smart bet is that both sides will end up with something that allows them to claim vindication, and we’ll most likely have another credibility smackdown. Meanwhile, we’ll probably see a sharp decrease in reports based on leaked material the media insisted was genuine, right up until the moment Donald Trump believed them.
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Max E. Pad said:
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Please stop. You're just trying to give the idiot some cover. And did you even bother to read the piece in the NYT that you quoted? It has nothing to do with Trump's accusations against Obama.

Seriously. Trump tweets several times making serious accusations about Obama and then finishes the tirade with a snark against Schwarzenegger's TV ratings? WTF?!

He didn't say he suspected it. He stated it as fact. Then why would there need to be an investigation if the facts are already in place and in his possession? And why doesn't he present those "facts" to the American people and then take whatever legal action is available to him?

Your time would be better spent being embarrassed about whom you voted for.
 
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The NSA already had every conversation Trump, or anyone else in the US made for around the last ten years. And now we learn that the CIA probably did, too, with even less oversight.

The president at the time, Obama, also did not need a fisa warrant to simply ask the NSA to see the transcripts of what Trump said.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/03/andrew-p-napolitano/congress-created-spying-monster/

That's why this search for fisa warrants from the obama era is a complete charade and lyndsay graham knows it. There won't be one because there was never one needed, as Obama already had access to anything he wanted. Graham knows this, and when there isn't any fisa warrant, it'll be one more 'trump is a liar' fest.

And maybe everyone needs to be reminded once again that they have zero evidence of any illegalities regarding trump, but the people who are making the charges are using illegal information to attempt this silent coup. Crooks.
 
fhl said:
The NSA already had every conversation Trump, or anyone else in the US made for around the last ten years. And now we learn that the CIA probably did, too, with even less oversight.

The president at the time, Obama, also did not need a fisa warrant to simply ask the NSA to see the transcripts of what Trump said.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/03/andrew-p-napolitano/congress-created-spying-monster/

That's why this search for fisa warrants from the obama era is a complete charade and lyndsay graham knows it. There won't be one because there was never one needed, as Obama already had access to anything he wanted. Graham knows this, and when there isn't any fisa warrant, it'll be one more 'trump is a liar' fest.

And maybe everyone needs to be reminded once again that they have zero evidence of any illegalities regarding trump, but the people who are making the charges are using illegal information to attempt this silent coup. Crooks.
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Correct. Napolitano said the same. No FISA warrant needed. President can order tap with DOJ sign off. Another Liberal media lie.

Trump can find out all this shit himself. He has full oversight. No secret records unavailable to him. He can go to the NSA and find out if Shit head ordered the tap on him. Case closed.

It's up to Trump to get to the bottom of this. We can't.
 
achilles28 said:

Tap was on Trump Tower.

That's where Flynn was when he was tapped.

Therefore, tap was on Trump Tower phones.

Newt called that one.
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Nope, tap was on the Russian embassy, that's standard procedure on Russian delegates.
 
Here4money said:
Nope, tap was on the Russian embassy, that's standard procedure on Russian delegates.
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Obama's DOJ applied for 3 FISA warrants targeting Trumps alleged "Russian ties", which we now know....don't exist.

A joint task force was created from six agencies (NSA CIA DIA FBI DOJ DOT) to apply for these FISA warrants targeting Trump associates, indirectly.

Obama claims no knowledge of this. Bald faced lie.

The first 2 FISA warrants were rejected. The 3rd approved.


A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.

I spoke to all three of those identified by this source. All of them emphatically denied any wrongdoing. "Hogwash," said one. "Bullshit," said another. Of the two Russian banks, one denied any wrongdoing, while the other did not respond to a request for comment.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


No way for that to happen with out Obamas express knowledge and approval. The FISA warrants allow for tapping phones. The FISA warrants targeted Russian banks, so the real target was Trump Team.

Obama knew and approved + FISA allowed for phone taps + real target was Trump = Obama knew and approved phone taps against Trump.

Which found nothing. Because it was a political hit, which failed.

This will blow up in the Lefts face. Trump better bring it.

Comey and Clapper saying despite participating in the FISA application process 3 TIMES, and finally getting approval on third time, no tap on Trump Teams phone was done. Except that's exactly what a FISA warrant is for - phone/electronic surveillance....
 
FBI applied for first FISA warrant explicitly targeting 4 TRUMP TEAM members....and was rejected...

Obama and Liberal Media claim Trump Team not the subject of the investigation. Just randomly "discovered".

LIARS!!!! SHITS GOING DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts



SO MY FRIENDS> WHOSE NAME IS ON THAT FIRST WARRANT> WHO APPLIED FOR IT> BASED ON WHAT INTEL> DID OBAMA KNOW

YES, HE MOST LIKELY DID

Were Obama Intel Agencies targeting the Trump Team directly.....

YES THEY WERE!!!!


Did they find anything? NO THEY DID NOT

THIS IS A POLITICAL OPERATION like Watergate.
 
achilles28 said:
Obama's DOJ applied for 3 FISA warrants targeting Trumps alleged "Russian ties", which we now know....don't exist.

A joint task force was created from six agencies (NSA CIA DIA FBI DOJ DOT) to apply for these FISA warrants targeting Trump associates, indirectly.

Obama claims no knowledge of this. Bald faced lie.

The first 2 FISA warrants were rejected. The 3rd approved.


A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.

I spoke to all three of those identified by this source. All of them emphatically denied any wrongdoing. "Hogwash," said one. "Bullshit," said another. Of the two Russian banks, one denied any wrongdoing, while the other did not respond to a request for comment.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427


No way for that to happen with out Obamas express knowledge and approval. The FISA warrants allow for tapping phones. The FISA warrants targeted Russian banks, so the real target was Trump Team.

Obama knew and approved + FISA allowed for phone taps + real target was Trump = Obama knew and approved phone taps against Trump.

Which found nothing. Because it was a political hit, which failed.

This will blow up in the Lefts face. Trump better bring it.

Comey and Clapper saying despite participating in the FISA application process 3 TIMES, and finally getting approval on third time, no tap on Trump Teams phone was done. Except that's exactly what a FISA warrant is for - phone/electronic surveillance....
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The whole FISA thing is unconfirmed reporting by the bbc. It may very well become a whole can of worms, but Flynn was NOT caught by the so called surveillance on Trump tower. This is a fact.
 
Here4money said:
The whole FISA thing is unconfirmed reporting by the bbc. It may very well become a whole can of worms, but Flynn was NOT caught by the so called surveillance on Trump tower. This is a fact.
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No it's not a "Fact". It's as much of a fact as the fisa warrants issued to the FBI reported by heatstreet and BBC.

Ur cherry picking what facts to accept and reject based on ur political bias
 
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