"Why won't God heal amputees?"
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Another opinion statement posing as fact from stu.
Show me the fact or facts that supports your claim that he didn't talk to gravity. How do you know this to be true? He could have had lots of talks with gravity.
That gravity didn't answer, doesn't mean gravity didn't hear him...
I said fact, proof...not your opinion.
Show me the fact or facts that supports your claim that he didn't talk to gravity. How do you know this to be true? He could have had lots of talks with gravity.
That gravity didn't answer, doesn't mean gravity didn't hear him...
I said fact, proof...not your opinion.
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Have you actually read Lewis's work???
Academic rigor? Are you kidding me?
The guy couldnt logically argue himself out of a wet paper bag. He starts off with huge assumptions, which non-christians do not accept, and argues from there, hoping you wont notice.
This review of his book Mere Chrisitianity, sums it up nicely.
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Guess what the biggest sin is according to C.S. Lewis in his
self-aggrandizing book, Mere Christianity? No, silly, not murder, child molestation, starting wars, or rape. It's PRIDE. Oh yes, and here is another chunk of wisdom for those who find deep meaning in blather: "Thinking about doing something is the same as doing it." (Don't let those thinking about hurting you find this out.) Frankly, I'd rather someone think about molesting my kid than actually doing it. Plus, C.S. Lewis tells us that soldiers should kill for their country with a lightness of heart. Plus, we should love everyone the same--spouse, kids, god, mailmen, assassins, C.S. Lewis, Darwin, etc. C.S. Lewis offers nuggets of so-called truths without providing a smattering of evidence in support of his supernatural notions. You know, god, soul, virgin births, evil, hell, etc.--all the good stuff that keeps you blindly faithful while giving the logic cells in your brain a rest. Are you tired of trying to convince yourself that your pastor speaks the truth? Let this book convince you the way no amount of evidence can. If you prefer actual truth, try Carl Sagan's more contemporary work, The Demon Haunted World, or pull up the short essay by Richard Dawkins called Good and Bad Reasons for Believing. Leave this book to the astrology crowd and those who think aliens visit earth to make goofy designs in cornfields; if truth is your passion, science is your source.It evolves. If you like to believe stuff based on conjecture, testimony, anecdote, fear of reprisal, and because it just makes you feel good, check out the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, anything by Shirley McLaine; try dianetics, the Torah, assorted versions of the old and new testament; don't forget the book of Mormon, and Reverend Moon has some persuasive nuggets too. I'm sure there are lots of prophets, gods, and gurus who would gladly tell you just exactly what it all means.
Oh, Is that how it works? Lets see here.
You have no proof that bigfoot didnt rape your mother and then gave birth to you.
Therefore, you have no proof that people who believe you are the product of a big foot raping are in fact in a state of imagination of something false.
Glad you agree.
Challenging people to prove a negative, is a dead give away for someone who hasnt a clue how to argue rationally.
An interesting mindset you have there... so why not take that ball and run with it?
Consider the possibility, for example, that one day the wood nymphs might rise from their slumber, spirit you away to their magical land, and crown you Fairy King. No one can disprove this possibility--those wood nymphs are damn hard to catch--so why not take pleasure in it?
Or maybe fairy lands aren't your cup of tea, in which case you could construct a dream scenario more fitting to your personal tastes--fill in the blank here--and then simply choose to "believe" that one day it could happen. What's the harm, eh? After all, no one can prove this belief wrong, so why not attach one's hopes and dreams to it? Why not build a life around it? Next stop, cartoontown!
Surely reality is overrated, and pursuit of truth and reason is not much fun as self-delusion. How wonderful it is to have an escape hatch from reality, a personal wormhole to slip through in which we can indulge all the fantasies we choose, without fear or concern that mean old scientists, those sticklers for coherent logic, will come and quash them. Must be a gift from a benevolent and intervening God eh?
I'm back in baby's arms;
How I missed those loving arms.
I'm back where I belong,
Back in baby's arms.
Don't know why we quarreled,
We never did before.
Since we found out how it hurts,
I bet we never quarrel any more...
even lewis came to his senses as he got older and had a chance reflect on what he believed. in his last book called " a grief observed" he said:
"Meanwhile, where is God? This is one of the most disquieting symptoms. When you are happy, so happy that you have no sense of needing Him, so happy that you are tempted to feel His claims upon you as an interruption, if you remember yourself and turn to Him with gratitude and praise, you will be â or so it feels â welcomed with open arms. But go to Him when your need is desperate, when all other help is vain, and what do you find? A door slammed in your face, and a sound of bolting and double bolting on the inside."
Oh, Is that how it works? Lets see here.
Yep, that's how it works.
You have no proof that bigfoot didnt rape your mother and then gave birth to you.
Nope, just her word, which I take on faith to be true.
Therefore, you have no proof that people who believe you are the product of a big foot raping are in fact in a state of imagination of something false.
No, I indeed have no proof that what you suggest did not in fact happen...
I also have no proof that you have major unresolved issues from childhood and adult resentments that cloud your ability to think clearly when it comes to these issues, but I take it on faith that is exactly what is happening.
Challenging people to prove a negative, is a dead give away for someone who hasnt a clue how to argue rationally.
History is filled with "facts" that were not facts at all.
People take all kinds of things as fact, when they are not facts at all.
All of your positions on God are just imaginations, actually...
What is not known is whether or not your imaginations are factual, i.e. representative of reality apart from human mind, or not.
It is the irrationality of the atheist who argues against the existence of God on the basis of a query of human beings, from the platform of the human mind...
and he goes on to say...
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After that, silence. You may as well turn away. The longer you wait, the more emphatic the silence will become. There are no lights in thewindows. It might be an empty house. Was it ever inhabited? It seemed so once. And that seeming was as strong as this. What can this mean? Why is He so present a commander in our time of prosperity and so very absent a help in time of trouble?Not that I am (I think) in much danger of ceasing to believe in God. The real danger is of coming to believe such dreadful things about Him. The conclusion I dread is not 'So there's no God after all, ' but 'So this is what God's really like. Deceive yourself no longer.'
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Here you can see a man, that deep down has finally realized there is no tooth fairy watching over him, but after leading a life of such strong conviction, cannot even admit to himself there is no god.
So he rationalizes, that god still exists, but that he just is never around, and fears thinking about him in a negative way. Whats the difference between a non-existent god, and a god that is never there? Nothing. Just semantics.
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After that, silence. You may as well turn away. The longer you wait, the more emphatic the silence will become. There are no lights in thewindows. It might be an empty house. Was it ever inhabited? It seemed so once. And that seeming was as strong as this. What can this mean? Why is He so present a commander in our time of prosperity and so very absent a help in time of trouble?Not that I am (I think) in much danger of ceasing to believe in God. The real danger is of coming to believe such dreadful things about Him. The conclusion I dread is not 'So there's no God after all, ' but 'So this is what God's really like. Deceive yourself no longer.'
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Here you can see a man, that deep down has finally realized there is no tooth fairy watching over him, but after leading a life of such strong conviction, cannot even admit to himself there is no god.
So he rationalizes, that god still exists, but that he just is never around, and fears thinking about him in a negative way. Whats the difference between a non-existent god, and a god that is never there? Nothing. Just semantics.
Wow, just wow.
Let me guess. This Z guy is the village idiot on ET? Can someone verify?
This loon is so far gone, im shocked anyone even responds to him.
I also have no proof that you have major unresolved issues from childhood and adult resentments that cloud your ability to think clearly when it comes to these issues, but I take it on faith that is exactly what is happening.
Gee that was fun. Using this form of non-logic, we can just assert anything we want all day long.
So far we know:
1. Bigfoot raped your mother. You are the product.
2. You have major unresolved childhood issues that cloud your ability to think clearly.
Oh, I also have no proof that you are not severly retarded. So lets add,
3. You are severely retarded, and therefore not worth arguing with.
END OF THREAD
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Let me guess. This Z guy is the village idiot on ET? Can someone verify?
This loon is so far gone, im shocked anyone even responds to him.
I also have no proof that you have major unresolved issues from childhood and adult resentments that cloud your ability to think clearly when it comes to these issues, but I take it on faith that is exactly what is happening.
Gee that was fun. Using this form of non-logic, we can just assert anything we want all day long.
So far we know:
1. Bigfoot raped your mother. You are the product.
2. You have major unresolved childhood issues that cloud your ability to think clearly.
Oh, I also have no proof that you are not severly retarded. So lets add,
3. You are severely retarded, and therefore not worth arguing with.
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Village idiot says: "All of your positions on God are just imaginations, actually...
What is not known is whether or not your imaginations are factual, i.e. representative of reality apart from human mind, or not."
Now apply this to yourself.
Well, actually, I have faith that your position on god is 100% wrong. After all, you are the retarded product of a big foot raping. How could you possibly be right about anything? You cant. Hahaha.
This Z logic is a wonderful thing. You are free to believe in anything you want, without havint to provide any evidence or rationale at all. Weeeeee!
Waiting for the bigfoot rape product to reply. But why bother? I have 100% faith you are wrong. Wow, im really digging this Z logic.
What is not known is whether or not your imaginations are factual, i.e. representative of reality apart from human mind, or not."
Now apply this to yourself.
Well, actually, I have faith that your position on god is 100% wrong. After all, you are the retarded product of a big foot raping. How could you possibly be right about anything? You cant. Hahaha.
This Z logic is a wonderful thing. You are free to believe in anything you want, without havint to provide any evidence or rationale at all. Weeeeee!
Waiting for the bigfoot rape product to reply. But why bother? I have 100% faith you are wrong. Wow, im really digging this Z logic.