Why the GOP Must Nominate Ron Paul

[achilles28]

Quote from dddooo:

It's easier to track underground goods than underground pay in the form of cash. Policing would be easier than the current system.
Huh? When every single business and every consumer is tempted to engage in cash-only, tax-free transactions and save 30-40%? When every single consumer starts ordering goods and services from China and Malaysia in order to avoid this huge markup instead of using local retailers/service providers. Good luck policing every single domestic and international transaction.

Its a wonder the United States even survived before the Fed passed the Income Tax.

How did that work?

Quote from dddooo:

the average consumer will immediately become a small government voter when they see directly how much the public sector takes from their household.
And now when they see 30-50% of their earnings deducted from their paychecks they don't? Come on! People reject the idea of a consumption tax for a lot of different reasons, that they don't now how much they pay to uncle Sam is certainly NOT one of them.

Yes and no.

Direct deduction prevents taxpayers from ever experiencing ownership of their money first hand.

Another small business owner in this thread echoed the same concept.

Its much harder to cough up money you own, rather than reqluinish something that was never really 'yours' to begin with.

Its very much psychological, but real all the same.

Once the conditioning surrounding the income tax is broken, Americans will watch first-hand, their own personal wealth get sucked up by that black hole we call Government - and then fight to reduce or eliminate it.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from achilles28:

Its a wonder the United States even survived before the Fed passed the Income Tax.

How did that work?

You're kidding, right?

No guaranteed banks.
No safety regs in the worplace.
No safety regs for planes.
Child labor.
No WICC
No Social Security.
No Welfare.
And of course, no standing army.
on and on.....

 

[achilles28]

Quote from Haroki:

You're kidding, right?

No guaranteed banks.
No safety regs in the worplace.
No safety regs for planes.
Child labor.
No WICC
No Social Security.
No Welfare.
And of course, no standing army.
on and on.....

Did I stutter?

For a incremental tax increase (relative to 100 years ago) most of those regulatory advances can be enforced on the cheap. Without having to siphon 40% of the nations wealth to finance. Suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

No guaranteed banks - Sound Money and Banking absolve the need for Government bailouts. Yes, some people will make bad investments and pay the consequences. Its called moral hazard.


No safety regs in the worplace.
No safety regs for planes.
Child labor.

***Most of the regulations are good. Its the bloated regulatory bodies that can go. Case in point - workplace saftey board. If the boss runs a shoddy operation that endangers life, video tape it and sue under civil and criminal. FAA - sure. Probably your best example. Child labor is already illegal and proscutable under law. Why create a new police force for every subsect of criminal activity?

Keep reasonable laws that protect private property and life, then let the market and judicary enforce them.



No WICC
No Social Security.
No Welfare.

You forgot Medicaid! They're both going bankrupt (50 Trillion unfunded liabilities, remember). Sorry, this pie-in-the-sky eutopia promised in exchange for our votes is exactly that. Unrealistic. Time to come back down-to-earth and accept the financial realities in which we live.

Welfare- yes. But only for those who are mentally or physically incapable of employment (see WICC). Welfare and WICC needs a serious kick-in-the-ass to get the scammers off.

We need a modern, standing army. Know how much is spent on BS Military-Industrial pork projects? Star Wars in the sky while the border is wide open.


Modern day Federal Gov might need half a trillion to operate.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from achilles28:

Did I stutter?

For a incremental tax increase (relative to 100 years ago) most of those regulatory advances can be enforced on the cheap. Without having to siphon 40% of the nations wealth to finance. Suggesting otherwise is ludicrous.

No guaranteed banks - Sound Money and Banking absolve the need for Government bailouts. Yes, some people will make bad investments and pay the consequences. Its called moral hazard.


No safety regs in the worplace.
No safety regs for planes.
Child labor.

***Most of the regulations are good. Its the bloated regulatory bodies that can go. Case in point - workplace saftey board. If the boss runs a shoddy operation that endangers life, video tape it and sue under civil and criminal. FAA - sure. Probably your best example. Child labor is already illegal and proscutable under law. Why create a new police force for every subsect of criminal activity?

Keep reasonable laws that protect private property and life, then let the market and judicary enforce them.



No WICC
No Social Security.
No Welfare.

You forgot Medicaid! They're both going bankrupt (50 Trillion in unfunded liabilities, remember). Sorry, this pie-in-the-sky eutopia promised in exchange for our votes is exactly that. Unrealistic. Time to come back down-to-earth and accept the financial realities in which we live.

Welfare- yes. But only for those who are mentally or physically incapable of employment (see WICC). Welfare and WICC needs a serious kick-in-the-ass to get the scammers off.

We need a modern, standing army. Know how much is spent on BS Military-Industrial pork projects? Star Wars in the sky while the border is wide open.


Modern day Federal Gov might need half a trillion to operate.

I agree with most of what you said.

However, nothing is free. Every advance needs people and money to make it happen.

When you say "to finance" I guess it's the same old tired argument about how our taxes go to pay interest to the Fed, blah blah blah.

This makes about as much sense as blaming Mastercard and Visa for your CC debts. If you don't borrow, you owe nothing.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from Haroki:

I agree with most of what you said.

However, nothing is free. Every advance needs people and money to make it happen.

When you say "to finance" I guess it's the same old tired argument about how our taxes go to pay interest to the Fed, blah blah blah.

This makes about as much sense as blaming Mastercard and Visa for your CC debts. If you don't borrow, you owe nothing.

Finally, we agree on something.

Yes, advances cost money. But not this ridiculous monsterity thats beholden only to itself.

All these advances represent very common sense type stuff that don't need half a million new Federal Employees to play watchdog. We codify it, let the market whistle blow and judiciary enforce.

And no, I mean spend within Government revenue. And yes, any interest paid on Fed created money is a pure scam. How you close your eyes to that is beyond me.

And yes, any money legitmately borrowed from other nations to finance expenditures should be paid back. But we should'nt live beyond our means. Only during wartime.

And if we hadn't empowered the Asian economic giants by exporting our jobs, we'd be the undisputed heavy weight. And who would F with that?

In a perfect world...

RON PAUL!

 

[Avid_Consumer]

Quote from achilles28:

any interest paid on Fed created money is a pure scam. How you close your eyes to that is beyond me.

why is the country (aka taxpayer) paying interest to finance our govt budget with money the govt creates for free

wouldn't it be vastly more cost effective to print our money as needed rather than borrow it at an extra cost to the taxpaying public

 

[achilles28]

Quote from Avid_Consumer:

why is the country (aka taxpayer) paying interest to finance our govt budget with money the govt creates for free

wouldn't it be vastly more cost effective to print our money as needed rather than borrow it at an extra cost to the taxpaying public

Absolutely right.

Its a scam. Pure and simple.

Bankers skim the cream from the Fed, then counterfeit some more (fractional reserve banking), then rig the markets via Fed Ownership (insider trading).

Government loves it because fiat money lets them spend their way into office (Fed money is free money) and it provides the framework to confiscate our wealth (inflation as the hidden tax. Spend some more!).

The IRS just siphons money out of the system to allow the Fed (and Government) to operate unfettered. One part of the entire mechanism. Otherwise, with wild money printing and no income tax, inflation would go Zimbabwe.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from achilles28:

Absolutely right.

Its a scam. Pure and simple.

Bankers skim the cream from the Fed, then counterfeit some more (fractional reserve banking), then rig the markets via Fed Ownership (insider trading).

Government loves it because fiat money lets them spend their way into office (Fed money is free money) and it provides the framework to confiscate our wealth (inflation as the hidden tax. Spend some more!).

The IRS just siphons money out of the system to allow the Fed (and Government) to operate unfettered. One part of the entire mechanism. Otherwise, with wild money printing and no income tax, inflation would go Zimbabwe.

Wow, the Sox are spankin' the Rockies.

Remember, the Fed, like any good parasite, isn't out to kill its' host. It needs the US to be prosperous in order to do what it does.

 

[Hydroblunt]

Quote from buzzy2:

Actually, www.mises.org is a libertarian website supporting Ron Paul. The Mises Institute's president Lew Rockwell www.lewrockwell.com is Paul's close friend and a true libertarian: anti-government, anti-war, pro-freedom.

Ron Paul is an ideal of what a politician should be be and how politics can actually serve a good purpose.

However, many of his reforms, while correct, are completely out of the question. The average American will never accept the consequences of something like abolishing the Federal Reserve & fractional reserve banking. Let alone the financial sector, who will be more than willing to create deadly accidents & suicides to make sure Ron Paul never gets there.
This man is proposing doing what everyone else has been delaying for decades. Accepting a depression to clean out the problems of cheap credit, inflation, bad investments and working HARD to rebuild a real production based economy.

The government is scared of Ron Paul as well. I'm still going to vote for him to make a statement, but all the odds are against him. If anything, I want this race to expose what a fraud the election process is.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from Haroki:



Remember, the Fed, like any good parasite, isn't out to kill its' host. It needs the US to be prosperous in order to do what it does.

And like any mindful creature, picks out that parasite, crushes it beneath its heal and awakens to the true potential endowned in him.