Why tf is Russia murdering innocent Ukrainian civilians?

War is hell

Killing civilians during war goes all the way back to the 1700s...actually much further back.

Typically, it's a way to break the back of your enemy by killing their civilians (especially women and children).

Yet, rape and pillaging usually follow as wartime sexual violence especially if the WAR involves ethnic conflict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence

The above is a huge problem especially when there's some sort'uv a draft or mandatory registration for the military because they typically don't look into the mental stability of the soldier nor look into any recent criminal offenses.

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The problem is the unintended consequences of sending the Ukraine military Tow missiles to destroy tanks and Stinger missiles to shoot down helicopters and jet fighters at low altitudes. So, the Russians are left with firing howitzers, rockets from afar, bombing at high altitudes which is highly inaccurate and firing cruise missiles. All very deadly, just the same. Ukraine should have evacuated its non-combatant citizens, women and children a long time ago. Instead, Zelensky urged all Ukrainians to fight to the death? He has the power to end this war. Surrender and give the Russians Crimea (they already built bases for the Russian navy), they are not giving it back. Same with Donetsk and Luhansk which has a lot of ethnic Russians. They do not want to be under Ukraine. Give them their independence. Lastly, declare neutrality and shelf Ukraine's ambition to be a NATO member. That is Putin's demands. Give it to him. Otherwise, Putin will grind Ukraine and pulverize it until they surrender. How much is a Ukrainian life worth? Continuing to fight and die, does not make sense at all. There is a time when you have to accept the inevitable, which is defeat. Accept it and rebuild Ukraine, for those still alive. Cooler heads need to prevail. NATO ratcheting up sanctions will not work. Putin probably, has thousands of cruise missiles to fire at Ukraine. Over 700 cruise missiles has been fired at Ukraine so far. He knows if he pulverizes Ukraine he will win, be it in 2 weeks, 2 months or even 1 year. NATO is just getting Ukrainians killed because they want to humiliate Putin. Go to the negotiating table. That is what is going to stop this senseless war.
 
War criminals take it to another level.

And the Russian pigs are conducting themselves as war criminals by deliberately targeting civilians.
We didn't "deliberately" target civilians when Nixon decided to carpet bomb North Vietnam and extend the war into Laos, and then lie about it. Nixon dropped more ordinance on Indochina than the U.S. dropped on Germany in all of WWII. The civilians killed were "collateral" damage. Fortunately the North Vietnamese went underground and many survived. It is unclear what lessons have been learned from the war crimes our forces committed in Vietnam.
 
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Putin troll.

Over to the compost heap he goes.

On ignore.
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The problem is the unintended consequences of sending the Ukraine military Tow missiles to destroy tanks and Stinger missiles to shoot down helicopters and jet fighters at low altitudes. So, the Russians are left with firing howitzers, rockets from afar, bombing at high altitudes which is highly inaccurate and firing cruise missiles. All very deadly, just the same. Ukraine should have evacuated its non-combatant citizens, women and children a long time ago. Instead, Zelensky urged all Ukrainians to fight to the death? He has the power to end this war. Surrender and give the Russians Crimea (they already built bases for the Russian navy), they are not giving it back. Same with Donetsk and Luhansk which has a lot of ethnic Russians. They do not want to be under Ukraine. Give them their independence. Lastly, declare neutrality and shelf Ukraine's ambition to be a NATO member. That is Putin's demands. Give it to him. Otherwise, Putin will grind Ukraine and pulverize it until they surrender. How much is a Ukrainian life worth? Continuing to fight and die, does not make sense at all. There is a time when you have to accept the inevitable, which is defeat. Accept it and rebuild Ukraine, for those still alive. Cooler heads need to prevail. NATO ratcheting up sanctions will not work. Putin probably, has thousands of cruise missiles to fire at Ukraine. Over 700 cruise missiles has been fired at Ukraine so far. He knows if he pulverizes Ukraine he will win, be it in 2 weeks, 2 months or even 1 year. NATO is just getting Ukrainians killed because they want to humiliate Putin. Go to the negotiating table. That is what is going to stop this senseless war.

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I agree. I wrote the quote below two weeks ago.

I'm gonna point something out that I'm sure will go over like a turd in the proverbial punch bowl... and please note I am NOT taking Russia's side nor am I minimizing the plight of the Ukranian people, but has the thought crossed anyone's mind that the more weapons we send, the longer this will drag out and the greater and greater the numbers regarding the innocent loss of life along with an exponentially larger humanitarian crisis?

The more the US and others send, the longer this will go on. Putin wants complete disarmament, why not give it to him? Give him the win. He's learned his lesson, he won't roll into any of his non NATO neighbors now. He's always wanted Ukraine, and I don't believe the hawks that are saying he won't stop there. That's bs. Give him Ukraine and he'll stop. He'll live the rest of his years as a war criminal in hiding as his own country collapses from within. That will be his ultimate undoing.

Yes this sucks for the Ukrainian people, but a deal could be negotiated that allows them some sort of autonomy. $760B of Russian funds can be used to rebuild and make restitution.

If the goal is peace, sending more and more armament is the last thing we want to do. We are putting ourselves and all of Western Europe in even greater danger, which means EVEN MORE innocents will die. Do we really want WW3, because that's exactly where this could wind up, and IT WILL hit our shores.

We can laugh at Putin's tanks bogged down with no fuel etc, but lets not forget they are very capable in other areas. Attacking America won't require an amphibious assault on our eastern seaboard gents. Our comfy way of life could be brought to a screeching halt in a blink, and OUR economy can be crushed as the markets would tumble and martial law would be instituted as our supply chain comes to a halt. We ran out of toilet paper and people panicked, what will happen when there's no food?

Ya know sometimes in chess you have to sacrifice a bishop to save your queen.
Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm only stating the facts. Put aside the idealism which I'm sure will now rain down on this post and look at the bigger picture, and all that lies in the balance. Let Putin have Ukraine, and make it clear he stops there. In the end this will save perhaps many more millions of lives. Think I'm kidding? I'm not. And in the end, that should be the ultimate goal.

And @UsualName, before you jump in here with the Ukrainians are winning, that may be the case for now, but their country is being turned into a parking lot and thousands upon thousands of innocent's are dying. They should have negotiated with Putin, they can't win. What good is freedom if there's no country left?

Sure Ukraine can turn this into a war of occupation and drag it on for years. What good does that do? More loss of life, millions and millions of people flooding Europe with no money, no jobs and no housing? For what? To prove a point?

As much as the world now respects and admires Zelenski for his bravery, he needs to hand Putin the win, which is what he should have done two weeks ago. I said it before and I'll say it again... Putin is done with his territorial ambitions. And NATO can make that crystal clear.

It's easy for Americans to wear Ukrainian colors, come up with stupid smiling dances on Tik-Tok, and cheer for the underdog from bleachers set 2500 miles away all warm and cozy... but critical thought has been replaced by social media and a few select power-houses that can manipulate public opinion now like no other time in the history of mankind.

I don't want WW3, and as I said, sometimes you have no other choice but to sacrifice the bishop to save the queen. Ukraine's the bishop; the rest of the free world is the queen.

Give Putin the win and he'll be done. There's zero doubt in my mind. He knows he can't win against NATO. If he didn't know it before, he sure as hell knows it now.
 
All we want is a link tree.
Definition of rumor ; 1 · talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
Tree - sorry to see you go. That's too bad. Get over it.

The bottom line: you provid no conclusive evidence.
It is just your opinion so far.
It is hearsay, rumors, gossip? How are we to know? A little birdie told me?
Cope as you will but there's enough unsubstantiated text flying around to get people killed by some keyboard jocky with a warmonger attitude.
You all fired Up? Here's your rifle. Heres your parachute. Here's your dayglo orange jumpsuit. Watch your head on the way out of the plane. Go Get Em Tiger!
Dippin into the namecalling too. You funny tree.
Come back when you calm down.

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This ol dude has some ideas that bear consideration:
This is cued but the complete vid is worth it...
try 2x playback speed if you're tight for time...
 
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