Why Paris is burning

Quote from Sam123:

What’s really misleading is avoiding the subject of Islam being part of their identity altogether. This is what the Cultural Relativists, the Multiculturalists, and the preachers of “tolerance” all do: they avoid the sensitive subjects completely. That’s not tolerance; that’s pure intellectual negligence.
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Islam might be a part of their "identity", but this rioting hasn't arisen out of their Islamic beliefs, that's for damn sure.

Look, I'm far from being a cultural relativist, and I've been only too willing to unambiguously voice my dislike of Islam in a most un-PC tone. But I just don't see any reason to link these riots to Islam.

Look, I "know" these people. These riots have brought back many "memories" for me. If this was 10 years ago, I would probably have been on the streets myself, "expressing" my "rage". I've never been a Muslim, but I am an immigrant, and my friends were immigrant Arab "Muslims" (well, 2nd and 3rd gen), and I know firsthand what it can feel like. I'm not "justifying" them - they are wrong, in both what they feel and what they do, but apart from self-identifying as "Muslim" there is virtually nothing Islamic about their behavior: they drink alcohol, pick up chicks, befriend Christians (against which there is a Koranic injunction) and (on occasion) eat pork among other "non-Islamic" behavior, and neither do they have "Islamic goals".

You've got to separate the Islamic extremists who don't do the above and do have Islamic goals from "Muslims" who are having trouble fitting into society. If you don't, you're as bad as Robert Spencer. (I have totally lost patience with that guy.)

If you want to say, look immigrants from Muslim cultures are hard (or harder) to integrate, fine. I'll agree wholeheartedly. To me, all non western immigrants are hard to integrate. Doing so takes time. The biggest reason America was able to integrate the vast numbers of early 20th cent immigrants was the 50 (or so) years in which immigration was brought to a virtual standstill. If you want to say we need another moratorium, fine, I'm with you. But it's a mistake to read "Islam" into every problem a Muslim might bring.
 
Quote from TGregg:

On the twelth day of rioting my French youth gave to me,
12 fire-bombed churches
11 schools in ashes
10 cities burning
9 shots a ringing,
8 crisis meetings,
7 dumpsters burning,
6 ransacked buses,
5 scorched Peugoooooots,
4 broken skulls,
3 tear gas bombs,
2 French Fried teens,
And not a word that they might be Muslimsssssss
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Clever.
 
Quote from The Kin:

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Looks like the Nostradamus predictions are coming true. The Moors would set the centre of Europe alight.

The final struggle between evil and Christianity has begun.

Cannot say that there was no warning.

:eek:
 
Quote from psycho-analitix:

Looks like the Nostradamus predictions are coming true. The Moors would set the centre of Europe alight.

The final struggle between evil and Christianity has begun.

Cannot say that there was no warning.

:eek:
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Amen. You must be a friend of Bruto (or the same person).
 
Quote from spect8or:



Islam might be a part of their "identity", but this rioting hasn't arisen out of their Islamic beliefs, that's for damn sure.

Look, I'm far from being a cultural relativist, and I've been only too willing to unambiguously voice my dislike of Islam in a most un-PC tone. But I just don't see any reason to link these riots to Islam.

Look, I "know" these people. These riots have brought back many "memories" for me. If this was 10 years ago, I would probably have been on the streets myself, "expressing" my "rage". I've never been a Muslim, but I am an immigrant, and my friends were immigrant Arab "Muslims" (well, 2nd and 3rd gen), and I know firsthand what it can feel like. I'm not "justifying" them - they are wrong, in both what they feel and what they do, but apart from self-identifying as "Muslim" there is virtually nothing Islamic about their behavior: they drink alcohol, pick up chicks, befriend Christians (against which there is a Koranic injunction) and (on occasion) eat pork among other "non-Islamic" behavior, and neither do they have "Islamic goals".

You've got to separate the Islamic extremists who don't do the above and do have Islamic goals from "Muslims" who are having trouble fitting into society. If you don't, you're as bad as Robert Spencer. (I have totally lost patience with that guy.)

If you want to say, look immigrants from Muslim cultures are hard (or harder) to integrate, fine. I'll agree wholeheartedly. To me, all non western immigrants are hard to integrate. Doing so takes time. The biggest reason America was able to integrate the vast numbers of early 20th cent immigrants was the 50 (or so) years in which immigration was brought to a virtual standstill. If you want to say we need another moratorium, fine, I'm with you. But it's a mistake to read "Islam" into every problem a Muslim might bring. [/B]
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On the spot. At last a good objective analysis in this thread.
 
Quote from Bruto Blukowski:

The posted Yahoo news story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nypost/2005...xIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

These scenes are not from the West Bank but from 20 French cities, mostly close to Paris, that have been plunged into a European version of the intifada that at the time of writing appears beyond control.

In only the third paragraph of the story West Bank and Intifada are mentioned. How could that happen? Someone is going to pay for this

With cries of "God is great," bands of youths armed with whatever they could get hold of went on a rampage and forced the police to flee.

I have heard those cries before...let me see...

The radicals have managed to chase away French shopkeepers selling alcohol and pork products, forced "places of sin," such as dancing halls, cinemas and theaters, to close down, and seized control of much of the local administration.

Radicals? Man if they could only move in next door to Moore and Streisand in Hollywood the world would be a better place.

"All we demand is to be left alone," said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local "emirs" engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.

We are the Muslim Brotherhood. We make our own rules and are accountable to no one.

Within hours, the original cause of the incidents was forgotten and the issue jelled around a demand by the representatives of the rioters that the French police leave the "occupied territories."

Occupied territories? Did David Copperfield pull a fast magic trick here?

But who lives in the affected areas? In Clichy itself, more than 80 percent of the inhabitants are Muslim immigrants or their children, mostly from Arab and black Africa.

A big shout out to WAEL for being the pillar of truth that the above news story is pure fiction and that true cause of the riots was caused by the Christians

Quote from WAEL012000:

What the hell are you talking about! The riots did not start on religious divide but rather on class one.
Many of the rioters are From central Africa who happened to be Christians!
It is the ghetto mentality that started this riot as it was the ghetto mentality that started the LA and Detroit riots.
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Interesting , its not being blamed on Pres, Bush.

Frankly FRANCE should call the gov of Texas, not US fed gov;

Texas Rangers have an ad;
one riot, one ranger:cool:
 
Quote from murray t turtle:

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Interesting , its not being blamed on Pres, Bush.

Frankly FRANCE should call the gov of Texas, not US fed gov;

Texas Rangers have an ad;
one riot, one ranger:cool:
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It will be. You will hear stories of a rove directed CIA operative who started the whole thing.
 
Quote from kalashnicac:

Sigh...your opinion is scary, thank god we don't get too many people like you in Europe.
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And that sentence may explain why a non-Western society managed to flourish inside France.

It would be interesting to know your take on this article:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3113

It’s a short one.

Regarding your factoids about immigration populations and the "head scarf ban", I’m well-aware of them. But if there is a higher percentage of Muslim women wishing to wear headscarves today, than the previous generation, then you have a problem.
 
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