Why Our Mission In Afghanistan Is Doomed

Mercor · Oct 11, 2009

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"We feel that people are born with inalienable rights and have a natural drive for freedom."

We push our values on others, just like Christians push their values on others, just like Muslims push their values on others...

If they want it bad enough, they will make it happen for themselves...

We are wrong to push our culture and values on others...

Your Japan and Europe are a strawman argument.

What is it son, are you just too dense to understand that?

A universal rule of nature is for life to seek freedom to survive and thrive.
So in your world certain people are born to be slaves, not born with natural freedoms. You're quite the Aristotelian.

OPTIONAL777 · Oct 11, 2009

People have the innate ability to choose their own government. Our own government was earned with blood of patriots, not via some nation building process of a foreign power...

You have no argument son, none...

Quote from Mercor:

A universal rule of nature is for life to seek freedom to survive and thrive.
So in your world certain people are born to be slaves, not born with natural freedoms. You're quite the Aristotelian.

Mercor · Oct 11, 2009

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People have the innate ability to choose their own government. Our own government was earned with blood of patriots, not via some nation building process of a foreign power...

You have no argument son, none...

Boy, you are dense....
The problem is that people usually have no choice who governâs them. This is the great American contribution to the world.
This is why we push so hard for elections in our "nation building".

Lucrum · Oct 11, 2009

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

We push our values on others, just like Christians push their values on others, just like Muslims push their values on others...

If they want it bad enough, they will make it happen for themselves...

We are wrong to push our culture and values on others...

And yet you never tire of trying to push your values and opinions on us.

Maybe if we want we'll decide for our selves what is right and wrong.

Or are you too dense to see and to arrogant to admit your hypocrisy?

OPTIONAL777 · Oct 12, 2009

Oy vey...

Quote from Mercor:

Boy, you are dense....
The problem is that people usually have no choice who governâs them. This is the great American contribution to the world.
This is why we push so hard for elections in our "nation building".

OPTIONAL777 · Oct 12, 2009

I make arguments...

You are clearly too dim to understand the difference between making an argument and pushing values and opinions...

Invading a country and forcibly removing the governing body, then setting up puppet governments, then having arranged elections is not making an argument...

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And yet you never tire of trying to push your values and opinions on us.

Maybe if we want we'll decide for our selves what is right and wrong.

Or are you too dense to see and to arrogant to admit your hypocrisy?

Lucrum · Oct 12, 2009

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I make arguments...

Self delusion, you mostly just argue. With almost anyone about almost anything. You think you have an answer for everything, but you don't. You arrogantly think you're smarter than everyone who disagrees with you, but you're not. It's not hard to see why your ex wife dumped you like a ton of bricks. No one likes to be with or around someone who thinks they're right about every disagreement all the time.

OPTIONAL777 · Oct 12, 2009

Child, take a basic course in logical argumentation...

While you are at it, see some professional for treatment of your insecurity complex...

Quote from Lucrum:

Self delusion, you mostly just argue. With almost anyone about almost anything. You think you have an answer for everything, but you don't. You arrogantly think you're smarter than everyone who disagrees with you, but you're not. It's not hard to see why your ex wife dumped you like a ton of bricks. No one likes to be with or around someone who thinks they're right about every disagreement all the time.

AAAintheBeltway · Oct 12, 2009

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Was anyone more scorched earth than the "evil empire" of the Soviet Union?

Yet their policy of being tough failed in Afghanistan.

In fact if you were a student of history, rather than living with your head up Rush Limbaugh's asshole, you would know that no one in history has ever done a decent job of nation building and/or conquering the shit hole that is Afghanistan...

You are a dope of the greatest magnitude...

Soviets tried to impose a central government, just as we did. I never recommended following their model. I said arm tribal leaders and war lords and let them sort it out. Totally different approach.

OPTIONAL777 · Oct 12, 2009

Your "brilliant" idea is to let the thugs battle it out, and let the best thug win?

Already done...how the hell do you think the Taliban got in power in the first place...

Geez...

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Soviets tried to impose a central government, just as we did. I never recommended following their model. I said arm tribal leaders and war lords and let them sort it out. Totally different approach.