Why not just reduce taxes for poorer people

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Quote from Vista:

You are making statements that are false. Can you explain how the middle class will have the tax burden shifted to them?

Also, if you're a democrat, why would you not want people living at or below the poverty level to have absolutely no tax responsibilty at all, including payroll taxes? I asked a (D) congressman in person that question once, but he never answered me. I already know why.

I'm not a democrat.
I'm not sure what the question is, too many double negatives or else I'm tired after a long day.
 
Quote from dtrader98:

I was addressing the argument on unfair payroll taxes, and for some reason, depending on how you spin it, some seem to miss the details.

I agree with some of the FairTax arguments, but the devil's always in the details. Which like everything else that seems to come our way, we never get to see until it is rushed out overnight and quietly passed without much discourse from the public and a whole lot of input from corporate lobbyists.

Everything is out there for you to read for free. A website and two very easy, and interesting books. Taxes interesting? Well, I say that, because it is such a great idea and such a good example of taking something so ridiculously complicated and breaking it down to extreme simplicity.
 
Quote from Vista:

Everything is out there for you to read for free. A website and two very easy, and interesting books. Taxes interesting? Well, I say that, because it is such a great idea and such a good example of taking something so ridiculously complicated and breaking it down to extreme simplicity.

Again, it's the details that count. I completely agree that taxes should be simplified. I've been through the pain in the blank nightmares for years and still hate it. We all know that it will never work that way, however, as transparency isn't in the interests of bureaucrats and the ultra wealthy.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

The fairtax will shift more of the tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class.

I'm asking, why you think the above? If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
 
I remember in 1940 my dad figuring and then paying his income tax by writing a check.
When the check in later years became excessively large the federal government instituted tax withholding. They knew the stupid people would accept gradualism without complaint if the money was taken from them before they got there grubby hands on it.
The world keeps changing. If anything changes for the worse you can bet a government agency is involved.
A tax of 23% on every transaction should not be tolerated.
Government income is not the problem.
THE PROBLEM IS GOVERNMENT SPENDING.
Don't say that the people demand it. That's hogwash. People in Hell want ice water ,but they damn sure ain't going to get it!
 
Quote from Vista:

I'm asking, why you think the above? If you don't want to answer, that's fine.

Simple math: a highroller is making 2 million a year. Normal tax would be say 700,000. With your fairtax if he spent every penny, taxes paid $460,000. Now say he is motivated by the new tax rate and puts 1.5 million in savings and spends $500,000, taxes paid $115,000. Guess who makes up the difference, that's right cowboy, you and me.
 
fully agree. Lets not make life more difficult than it is. Tax is on income not on money spend. I dont want to pay a tax because I eat bread, breathe air...

A flat tax on income will of course make the the hard working and educated richer but will not necessarily make poor people poorer. Still the income and wealth gap will widen. And I never had a problem with that, who promised anyone that everyone has a right to earn as much and be as wealthy as their neighbor?

Remove EVERY subsidy and deduction under the sun. You know whats going to happen? The government will actually have more money in their pockets than before.

FURTHER, disallow ANY sort of donation or political contribution, NOTHING. Instead, each party will be paid a campaign and maintenance fee out of a fund specially set up for such purpose. You will see, from one day to the next all the filth, corruption, and bribery in Washington DC will be gone from one day to the next and the money wasted on tons of projects that were needless but motivated by lobbyists can be saved or spent elsewhere.

Result, a country that is ready to compete head to head with the upcoming challenges. Right now, however, the US looks more like Rome looked like right before its demise. Who needs millions of dollar expensive election campaigns? To satisfy the fat and sick couch potatoes? I honestly hope for another huge crash so people really go back to the basics and re-think what is really going on with our lives, people who represent us, and our true values.

Sorry, had to let this one go although some points were unrelated...well somehow they are related...


Quote from bigarrow:

The FairTax is a bad idea unless what you are after is making the ultra rich, richer and widening the income gap. You know it is the rich who dreamed up the idea of a retail sales tax. They will pay millions less while you and I will pay more.
If you are truly wanting fair, then tax ALL income the same rate, even for the very poor and for capital gains, dividends, corporations, churches, everyone and every entity will be taxed the same on every dollar earned and also on unearned income.
Remove the mortgage deduction and charity deductions along with a host of other deductions that are basically government subsidies.

Another problem solved, now it's Miller Time.
 
that is utter nonsense. It has been shown in many studies that income is the most direct, fair, and measurable way to measure differentials in living standards NOT spending. Its simply not true that the richest spend the most. Absolutely but we are talking about relative figures.
Relatively speaking the richest put most of their money into savings, investments, not spending. Thats why the argument that income is not the best way to tax people does not make any sense!!!


Quote from MGB:

The FairTax is an excellent idea. Rich people tend to buy more stuff, buy more expensive stuff (planes, cars, houses, etc.) So, with the FairTax, rich people will actually pay more taxes, as they buy more stuff.
 
Quote from asiaprop:

fully agree. Lets not make life more difficult than it is. Tax is on income not on money spend. I dont want to pay a tax because I eat bread, breathe air...

FairTax does not tax food, bread, water, etc. It does not tax the necessities of life.

FURTHER, disallow ANY sort of donation or political contribution, NOTHING. Instead, each party will be paid a campaign and maintenance fee out of a fund specially set up for such purpose.

Unfortunately, this would be a violation of the 2nd amendment right to free speech.
 
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