Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Quote from mcdull:

Hi Jack,

I am reading some of your old posts and I have some questions regarding the lissajous pattern ("Figure 8").

1. I believe the lissajous pattern is for making entry/exit/reverse decisions, so it is useful for identifying FTT. Is it something you are still using, or is it superseded by something else?

2. If I am using lissajous pattern (dP/dt for y axis, dV/dt for x axis) with 16 cells. i.e. 4 cells for the trading fractal, within each cell, 4 cells are created for the faster fractal. Is it the best I can do for getting trading fractal change signal? Assuming finer tools like DOM, STR/SQU, OTR are not used.

I am still unable to get consistency in identifying FTT. Sometimes, I spot FTT too early, sometimes, I spot FTT too late.

Any help or pointer is appreciated.

Thanks and Regards

PS Sorry for OT.
This is how you can trade like Jack. Step 1 take a price chart , Step 2 connect High and Low points Step 3 draw channel lines....step 4 call your trades after that and take the market offer......:D
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Quote from macattack:

There are a lot of threads like this one by:

The General
NYSEStocks
The Expert
The Oracle
Socrates
Elite34S

That's just on this site. Then there are a bunch of similar threads by similar people on other trading sites. This has gone on for a few years now.

I searched google & see there are a bunch of companies which offer services to start threads & post on forums to generate business.

Is everyone here being duped by some paid forum posters sitting in their mom's basements somewhere, or is this legitimate?

Why would someone spend so much time posting all of this stuff for people he doesn't even know?

It's hard to imagine a successful millionaire trader sitting at home posting on EliteTrader.com.

I'm not sure if I should keep trying to learn from all of this, or if I should feel like a complete idiot. Let me know. Thanks.

And not forgetting Mr Charts too.

I'd not come across Elite34S, I'll read though the MATRIX as its quirky enough to grab my interest.

I had thought for a while that TO was TE and that he had mellowed a bit, but there are certain things that were said that make me think they are different people but who share ideas from a common source.
 
Quote from IntelliBitz:

Quote from The Oracle:



5. this is the hard bit..up to now has been common sense stuff..u must come up with a way to execute trades that allows u take advantage of time..and..that means..u must come up with an average return..or R/R ratio..that will make you good money over a set number of trades..and the number of trades required will be determined by the way..or stragegy if u want to call it that..that u have come up with to identify entries and exits

TO

Ok, will think more on this one. Thanks.

So we must be very clear about the R/R ratio in our minds before we enter a trade. And as per the R/R increase positions until target achieved. Good, I'm beginning to think now.
 
Quote from The Oracle:

based on ur previous answers..are we at a low risk entry now..and should we enter now or wait for the next bar..or few bars..or many bars..to decide?

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Three Push here is the Second Leg down. I like it and I would like it even more if it were a pullback. So, my eyes here would be fixed on the bull move prior to that Three Push which didn't help the bulls to assert themselves but went up to the resistance level and there it failed.

The Three Push as the Second Leg looks a bit disproportionate, so there may be a little room left to go down and screw the early bulls a bit more.

Too much thinking = indecision = I wouldn't be trading here. Am I being to cautious or just wrong?
 
The first rule of gun running is to never get shot with your own merchandise.
That fokin chart/instrument is MUCH harder to trade than the HAL chart posted prevoiusly.
Since T=$ , skip that chart. That much is obvious, but probably only to me. I think TO is just in a fishing expedition... :)
 
Quote from baron193:

Even better, being duped by the so called "experts" to divulge all your trading knowledge in an attempt to help newbies.
A public forum is no place for sharing specifics, you might not think the knowledge you accumulated over the last 5 years is valuable, after all you're not consistently profitable yet right?

I am not consistently profitable. Maybe next week. :)
I do feel like the knowledge I've accumulated is valuable, but I was just wondering last night who these people are posting all of this stuff. It just seems strange to me. They may be a group of people who decided to try & help trader wannabees break out of the trap they all fall into of searching out & listening to "experts", or they may be people paid to make posts to generate traffic. Who knows?

They do seem very knowledgeable about the markets, but they could also be philosophy majors just out of college who like to gamble & trade who haven't found real jobs yet.

I guess in the end it doesn't matter. The one thing I've learned is that I need to "think" for myself & make my "own" plan, and that's it's all up to me. I was stuck in the cycle of searching for another method, another guru, another book, and I didn't even realize I wasn't using my own brain. These strange threads by these mysterious people woke me up.

But I'm still curious as to who these people are starting these threads & why. TO..............who are you? :)
 
Quote from baron193:

Even better, being duped by the so called "experts" to divulge all your trading knowledge in an attempt to help newbies.
A public forum is no place for sharing specifics, you might not think the knowledge you accumulated over the last 5 years is valuable, after all you're not consistently profitable yet right?



B193

Here’s something to ponder

Including myself, there have been about five different ways of trading being discussed as of recent

Nothing is secrete on a chart – absolutely nothing

There are more ways to make money trading…., than I care to count

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I (or any trader for that matter) can take, for all practical purposes - a totally unprofitable methodology – and make money with it consistently


Why is that?

Figure out the answer, then you to can too

The key has never resided in the method – never….

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MAC

You are a liar… You posted you had it.., no longer required this thread, and would not be returning

That you returned – big whoop…

That you lied…

And started spewing bullshit to boot


Traders may be some of the best bullshitters around – but the truth is more precious than money (or anything)

May you never learn that

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btw - I see the obvious has not been lost on you :p


RN
 
Something I think is very obvious that not many consider is also commission costs compared in percentage terms to their avg win/loss. What percentage of each trade are you giving to the house?

It can be detrimental over trading on smaller time frames when essentially you are giving the broker a big percentage of every win /loss you have. Especially if you lose more than you win.

For instance trading something like /YM or /6b on lower time frames is disadvantages compared to trading /CL or /TF for example.

Run the numbers yourself if you haven't already and you may be a bit surprised on the impact of the house advantage over you when it comes to spread/commission.

A way to combat the impact of your broker costs on your bottom line is trading larger time frames, or more volatile instruments. CL, GC, 6E, , NG ect


Just a thought...
 
Quote from Redneck:

B193

Here’s something to ponder

Including myself, there have been about five different ways of trading being discussed as of recent

Nothing is secrete on a chart – absolutely nothing

There are more ways to make money trading…., than I care to count

===========================================================================

I (or any trader for that matter) can take, for all practical purposes - a totally unprofitable methodology – and make money with it consistently


Why is that?

Figure out the answer, then you to can too

The key has never resided in the method – never….

=========================================================

MAC

You are a liar… You posted you had it.., no longer required this thread, and would not be returning

That you returned – big whoop…

That you lied…

And started spewing bullshit to boot


Traders may be some of the best bullshitters around – but the truth is more precious than money (or anything)

May you never learn that

=====================================
btw - I see the obvious has not been lost on you :p


RN
RN my cynic comment was disguised too well huh?
I must add my appologies for my spelling, it is my second language after all.
 
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