Why Is The Obvious Not So Obvious?

Quote from nysestocks:

The reality is that I could spell it out in Black & White and it would still make no difference!

Try us, you may be surprise. Is the word MANIPULATION getting any close?

There are very few traders that really know how the markets operate. Some are close, unknown to themselves, and if these traders were to become aware of the obvious, they would literally clean up, as they have all the pre-requisites in place to enable them to move to the next level.


Does this have anything to do with building/distributing the gigantic position in a shortest time period with minimal premium?

It does not matter what people think, but what does matter is what they do!

I know this, and I thought that everything is recorded on the price chart. Is it not? Forgive me for being a curious newbee.


As mentioned previously, all the standard "stuff" that is in the public domain is there for a specific reason.

Do what the majority do and you will get what the majority get!


This really hits me. It just changed my perspective at looking the price chart.
Remind me of the cobra snake catcher using his hands. One of his hand is right in front of the snake, moving back and forth, getting the snake attention, while the other hand surreptitiously moving around aiming at the snake neck.


Some years ago, in the Great Pyramid, a German explorer discovered a small door at the top of the shaft leading from the Queen's Chamber.

Without further delay, the exploring was called off by the authorities, and the door, to this day, as far as is known, was never opened.

What has this to do with successful trading, you might ask?

Everything, if you but stop and think!


Nysestocks, I knew you were on to something that is very original. But really, if you dont share it, we will get stuck in this mode, trying to guess the name of the topic, instead putting energy into exploit it to better ourselves.

Thanks and Regards
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

From the secret workings of the the insiders (LOL) to the Great Pyramids ... the only thing you're missing is your website offering to teach traders everything they need to know to make a million dollars in the markets for $34.95.

ROTFLMAO :p :D

If the deduction methods you use for trading are anywhere as near as your normal deduction methods, then you must be the worst trader on record!
 
Quote from nysestocks:

If the deduction methods you use for trading are anywhere as near as your normal deduction methods, then you must be the worst trader on record!
Nah, my methods of deduction are working quite well, thank you.

After all, I knew that the only posts you were going to be responding to would be mine ... LOL :D

Now, please continue with your mind(fuck) games. :eek: :p
 
Quote from caementarius:

Caementarius spake thus:

The obvious is that to profit from changes in price, you must have some understanding of the _causes_ of those changes.

"Happy is he who knows the causes of things, and may subdue all fears and implacable fate, and trample the roar of greedy hell beneath his feet." -- Virgil

I am very impressed by your quote caementarius :)

Many tend to forget that man does not live on bread alone!

"But if anyone’s whole stock has failed him, and he knows not how to restore the race in a new line, then it is also time to reveal the famed device of the Arcadian master [Aristaeus], and the mode whereby often, in the past, the putrid blood of slain bullocks has engendered bees. From its fount I will unfold the whole story, tracing it back from its first source."

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Quote from MoneyMagnetDude:

Thanks and Regards

You are welcome MMD.

In order to make any real progress in the silly and ridiculous world of trading, you must be willing to turn from the crowd, no matter what the perception may be.

Always remember, most of the idiots on the other end of a keyboard do not have one iota of how the markets operate!

I can tell what a person knows about trading by reading the first few lines they post, and if you want the whole truth, very few on this site, or any other site for that matter, know anything of real value about how to take money from other traders, with the least amount of risk, for the greatest amount of profit.

If you take the time to read what I write, and compare to what others write, then you will see that I speak from experience and truth. I have no reason to lie or lead people astray, no matter what others may wrongly imply with silly childish statements!

The ability to quickly learn from others is sometimes called "wisdom". Today we have about one wise person in a billion, so now you see why there are so many experts that know everything about this and that.

I post for one reason and one reason only and that is, to show up the so called trading experts for what they really are!

Always remember that there are no experts in the trading game - this is the first and last principle, and without fully understanding it you are doomed to follow in the footsteps of the ignorant and ill informed.

Never be afraid to tell someone that they speak rubbish, but you must be wise enough to differentiate rubbish from common sense and logic - this might sound easy but it is in fact very difficult, and you can thank our revered academic circle for that privilege!

To know what you must know is your goal!

To differentiate between what you must know and what you know, well, will only be realized by listening to people like me.

This is not egoistic or anything of the like - it is merely the facts!
 
Quote from MandelbrotSet:

Nah, my methods of deduction are working quite well, thank you.

After all, I knew that the only posts you were going to be responding to would be mine ... LOL :D

Now, please continue with your mind(fuck) games. :eek: :p

It must be getting near the 12 mark now!
 
Quote from nysestocks:

YOU CAN ONLY GET SMARTER BY PLAYING A SMARTER OPPONENT
:D

You are very close trackstar, and the "gambling" side of trading is of immense importance, but it is not THE answer!

It is because THE answer is so simple that it is never discovered by the majority!

That one is a good one but I think there are a few more grand parallels. One being your have to first know yourself and then know how to differentiate what yourself is telling you. You are in the majority if you do what you KNOW, regardless of what you think. Instead you have to know the smarter opponent and then BECOME the smarter opponent. The problem is identifying the smarter opponent in you verses the ignorant self. Then comes the battle of keeping your old self out of your head. That I have not fully mastered yet...not sure if it can truly be done.

Some will flame me here...let it begin.

:)
 
MMD, I did not reply direct, and I will do so now, as it is warranted!

"Try us, you may be surprise. Is the word MANIPULATION getting any close?"

YES & NO - every business venture has some sort of manipulation, but in relation to taking money from other traders on a daily basis, forget it and drop it now!

"Does this have anything to do with building/distributing the gigantic position in a shortest time period with minimal premium? "

NO - most of the idiots who trade other peoples' money (e.g. pension funds) change their mind much like the wind shifts direction!


"I know this, and I thought that everything is recorded on the price chart. Is it not? Forgive me for being a curious newbee."

YES - and you are correct to be curious, and never be afraid to question and ask questions!


"This really hits me. It just changed my perspective at looking the price chart.
Remind me of the cobra snake catcher using his hands. One of his hand is right in front of the snake, moving back and forth, getting the snake attention, while the other hand surreptitiously moving around aiming at the snake neck."



As mentioned previously, all the standard "stuff" that is in the public domain is there for a specific reason.

The change in the way you think is due to a state of mind!


"Nysestocks, I knew you were on to something that is very original. But really, if you dont share it, we will get stuck in this mode, trying to guess the name of the topic, instead putting energy into exploit it to better ourselves."

I understand your frustrations, but believe me when I say it is for your own good, whether you know it or not!

If you want the truth then here it is - I will never tell anyone what I know, as I promised not too when it was told to me, and that is how it works!

But, it was never said that I could not help others understand what it is they should not be doing by listening to so called "experts".

Many will read this and say this idiot is playing mind games, or trying to sell something - but what else would they say, as they are frustrated that they have not been able to come up with the so called "holy grail" of trading, as it does indeed exist, but only for a very very small minority!
 
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