I think it's trying to say it has principles that have nothing to do with money.
Why is anyone other than self-involved rich Americans supporting the political Right?
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I think it's trying to say it has principles that have nothing to do with money.
I took the question to mean that if one is outside a certain wealthy class, it is questionable to support a certain party. My point is: One doesn't have to be of that class to support the party even if the author is correct. Some may feel it is still a better choice based on their own principles.
Being familiar with the author's posts, I believe the question itself is an attempt to belittle those who don't agree with his views.
You wish. If Hello chooses to sweep in broad generalizations, then so can I. The political right is supposedly the fiscally conservative among the parties. Yet, it is under Republican leadership that the US has seen greater increases in the budget deficit and, therefore, in the national debt than during under any other administration. For conservatives suddenly captivated by budget deficits, history shows that the Republicans always leaves the house on a shakier foundation than they found it, and certainly more so than the Democrats.
There are parallels to belabor the point. In Canada, the budget was balanced in 1997 under Liberal leadership and remained that way for the duration of their leadership. When the Conservative party came into power in 2006, it took only two years for it to bring the budget right back into deficit the likes of which had not been seen since the last Conservative government under Mulroney leadership.
If you count yourself among the self-absorbed rich, then you have probably distanced yourself from everyone else quite favorably, in either country. But then, this thread is NOT about you, as the title alone clearly explains, let alone the opening post.
Can you see the pattern there, bugs? Can you? Further, to blame Obama after W left him a smoldering bag of exploding crap is to lack all manner of credibility and intellectual honesty. And there you are.
As for comparing private sector failure rates to public sector spending initiatives, sorry Hello, but that sounds like the opening line of a bad joke. Some degree of incompetence and fraud exists in both the private and public sectors. The idea is to reduce the incompetence and fraud in both sectors rather than to abolish either the private or public sector. Let's try to be adults, shall we, rather than all-or-nothing flippant children bouncing off the walls.
So you blame Bush for Obamas deficit, but dont blame the deficit on the heap of shit the liberals left to the conservatives in Canada??? Seems like a glaringly obvious double standard to me.
Plus the the conservatives in Canada Never had a majority government, meaning that they couldnt change anything without support from the left, where as Obama had free reign to do whatever he wanted for 2 full years and all he did was spend us into oblivion and take the economy even further in to the tank.
The only time in the last 50 years the liberals were able to balance a budget was during an extraordinary set of circumstances due to the tech bubble, which would have occured whether conservatives or liberals were in charge.
Also why is it that all the provinceswith the most debt in Canada have been run overwhelmingly by liberals?
NDP has controlled Manitoba since 1999
British Columbia controlled by liberals since 1933
Ontario has had liberals in charge since 2003
Quebec hasnt had a conservative premier since 1897
Saskatchewan was run by the NDP from 1991 till 2007, when Brad Wall took over with the saskatchewan party in 2007 (which is right wing), and Saskatchewan actually pulled through the whole collapse of the economy viretually unscathed. Infact out of every province in Canada Saskatchewan had the most growth in 2010, and is projected for the most growth in 2011 as well.
The only province in Canada which runs a surplus is Alberta. Alberta also happens to be the only province which has been run solely by conservatives since 1971. To my knowledge they are also the only province with ZERO provincial sales tax.
Yep the liberals in Canada are doing a bang up job eh?
NDP has controlled Manitoba since 1999
British Columbia controlled by liberals since 1933
Ontario has had liberals in charge since 2003
Quebec hasnt had a conservative premier since 1897
Saskatchewan was run by the NDP from 1991 till 2007, when Brad Wall took over with the saskatchewan party in 2007 (which is right wing), and Saskatchewan actually pulled through the whole collapse of the economy viretually unscathed. Infact out of every province in Canada Saskatchewan had the most growth in 2010, and is projected for the most growth in 2011 as well.
The only province in Canada which runs a surplus is Alberta. Alberta also happens to be the only province which has been run solely by conservatives since 1971. To my knowledge they are also the only province with ZERO provincial sales tax.
Yep the liberals in Canada are doing a bang up job eh?
Jean Chretien(Liberal Prime minister of Canada from 1993-2003) was a real standup guy hey Gabfly? He was only the most corrup politician in Canadian history.
SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL
The sponsorship scandal, "AdScam", "Sponsorship" or Sponsorgate, is a scandal that came as a result of a Canadian federal government "sponsorship program" in the province of Quebec and involving the Liberal Party of Canada, which was in power from 1993 to 2006. The program was originally established as an effort to raise awareness of the Government of Canada's contributions to Quebec industries and other activities in order to counter the actions of the Parti Québécois government of the province that worked to promote Quebec independence.
The program ran from 1996 until 2004, when broad corruption was discovered in its operations and the program was discontinued. Illicit and even illegal activities within the administration of the program were revealed, involving misuse and misdirection of public funds intended for government advertising in Quebec. Such misdirections included sponsorship money awarded to ad firms in return for little or no work, which firms maintained Liberal organizers or fundraisers on their payrolls or donated back part of the money to the Liberal Party. The resulting investigations and scandal affected the Liberal Party of Canada and the then-government of Prime Minister Paul Martin. It was an ongoing affair for years, but rose to national prominence in early 2004 after the program was examined by Sheila Fraser, the federal auditor general. Her revelations led to the government establishing the Gomery Commission to conduct a public inquiry and file a report on the matter. The official title of this inquiry was the Commission of Inquiry into the Sponsorship Program and Advertising Activities.
In the national spotlight, the scandal became a significant factor in the lead-up to the 2006 federal election where after more than twelve years in power the Liberals were defeated by the Conservatives, who formed a minority government that was sworn in February 2006.
[edit] Involved parties
Jean Chrétien â Prime Minister of Canada at the time the Sponsorship Program was established and operated. The Gomery Commission, First Phase Report which assigned blame for the Sponsorship scandal cast most of the indemnity for misspent public funds, fraud on Chrétien and his Prime Minister's Office staff, though it cleared Chrétien himself of direct wrongdoing.
Jean Pelletier â Prime Minister's chief of staff and later chairman of VIA Rail. VIA Rail was accused of mishandling sponsorship deals, though mostly not under Pelletier's tenure.
Alfonso Gagliano â Minister of Public Works, and thus in charge of the program. Also the political minister for Quebec.
André Ouellet â member of Prime Minister Chrétien's Cabinet, longtime Liberal politician and later head of Canada Post, who was also accused of violating sponsorship rules.
Chuck Guité â bureaucrat in charge of the sponsorship program. Arrested for fraud by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) - convicted on five counts on June 6, 2006.
Jean Brault â head of Groupaction Marketing, one of the companies to which deals were directed. Arrested for fraud by the RCMP, he pleaded guilty to five counts of fraud and on May 5, 2006, was sentenced to 30 months in prison.
Jacques Corriveau â Liberal organizer and head of Pluridesign to which millions in sponsorship dollars were directed.
Paul Martin â former Prime Minister of Canada. He was Minister of Finance, and Senior Minister from Quebec during most of the years the program occurred. When he became Prime Minister in December 2003, he claimed that he put a halt to it. He also set up the Gomery Commission which later cleared him of formal responsibility by Justice Gomery in his November 2005 'First Phase Report' of the Gomery Commission. The Gomery findings claimed that Martin, as finance minister, established a 'fiscal framework' but he did not have oversight as to the dispersal of the funds once they were apportioned to Chrétien's Prime Minister's Office. A report on the issue by the Auditor General's Office of Sheila Fraser came to the same conclusion. Nonetheless, Martin was frequently accused of tying Gomery's hands and using the sponsorship scandal as an excuse to purge the Liberals of members who supported Chrétien. The scandal played a factor in the federal election of 2006 and the fall of the Liberal Government. Shortly thereafter, Martin resigned from the liberal party leadership.
Joe Morselli â Liberal Party fundraiser. Jean Brault testified that the money exchanges were with Morselli.
Jean Lafleur â former CEO of Lafleur Communication Marketing Inc. One of the advertising executives that accepted money from the federal government. Pleaded guilty to 28 counts of fraud.
Allan Cutler â former civil servant and whistleblower who reported anomalies in a Canadian sponsorship program, triggering the Scandal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal
SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL
The sponsorship scandal, "AdScam", "Sponsorship" or Sponsorgate, is a scandal that came as a result of a Canadian federal government "sponsorship program" in the province of Quebec and involving the Liberal Party of Canada, which was in power from 1993 to 2006. The program was originally established as an effort to raise awareness of the Government of Canada's contributions to Quebec industries and other activities in order to counter the actions of the Parti Québécois government of the province that worked to promote Quebec independence.
The program ran from 1996 until 2004, when broad corruption was discovered in its operations and the program was discontinued. Illicit and even illegal activities within the administration of the program were revealed, involving misuse and misdirection of public funds intended for government advertising in Quebec. Such misdirections included sponsorship money awarded to ad firms in return for little or no work, which firms maintained Liberal organizers or fundraisers on their payrolls or donated back part of the money to the Liberal Party. The resulting investigations and scandal affected the Liberal Party of Canada and the then-government of Prime Minister Paul Martin. It was an ongoing affair for years, but rose to national prominence in early 2004 after the program was examined by Sheila Fraser, the federal auditor general. Her revelations led to the government establishing the Gomery Commission to conduct a public inquiry and file a report on the matter. The official title of this inquiry was the Commission of Inquiry into the Sponsorship Program and Advertising Activities.
In the national spotlight, the scandal became a significant factor in the lead-up to the 2006 federal election where after more than twelve years in power the Liberals were defeated by the Conservatives, who formed a minority government that was sworn in February 2006.
[edit] Involved parties
Jean Chrétien â Prime Minister of Canada at the time the Sponsorship Program was established and operated. The Gomery Commission, First Phase Report which assigned blame for the Sponsorship scandal cast most of the indemnity for misspent public funds, fraud on Chrétien and his Prime Minister's Office staff, though it cleared Chrétien himself of direct wrongdoing.
Jean Pelletier â Prime Minister's chief of staff and later chairman of VIA Rail. VIA Rail was accused of mishandling sponsorship deals, though mostly not under Pelletier's tenure.
Alfonso Gagliano â Minister of Public Works, and thus in charge of the program. Also the political minister for Quebec.
André Ouellet â member of Prime Minister Chrétien's Cabinet, longtime Liberal politician and later head of Canada Post, who was also accused of violating sponsorship rules.
Chuck Guité â bureaucrat in charge of the sponsorship program. Arrested for fraud by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) - convicted on five counts on June 6, 2006.
Jean Brault â head of Groupaction Marketing, one of the companies to which deals were directed. Arrested for fraud by the RCMP, he pleaded guilty to five counts of fraud and on May 5, 2006, was sentenced to 30 months in prison.
Jacques Corriveau â Liberal organizer and head of Pluridesign to which millions in sponsorship dollars were directed.
Paul Martin â former Prime Minister of Canada. He was Minister of Finance, and Senior Minister from Quebec during most of the years the program occurred. When he became Prime Minister in December 2003, he claimed that he put a halt to it. He also set up the Gomery Commission which later cleared him of formal responsibility by Justice Gomery in his November 2005 'First Phase Report' of the Gomery Commission. The Gomery findings claimed that Martin, as finance minister, established a 'fiscal framework' but he did not have oversight as to the dispersal of the funds once they were apportioned to Chrétien's Prime Minister's Office. A report on the issue by the Auditor General's Office of Sheila Fraser came to the same conclusion. Nonetheless, Martin was frequently accused of tying Gomery's hands and using the sponsorship scandal as an excuse to purge the Liberals of members who supported Chrétien. The scandal played a factor in the federal election of 2006 and the fall of the Liberal Government. Shortly thereafter, Martin resigned from the liberal party leadership.
Joe Morselli â Liberal Party fundraiser. Jean Brault testified that the money exchanges were with Morselli.
Jean Lafleur â former CEO of Lafleur Communication Marketing Inc. One of the advertising executives that accepted money from the federal government. Pleaded guilty to 28 counts of fraud.
Allan Cutler â former civil servant and whistleblower who reported anomalies in a Canadian sponsorship program, triggering the Scandal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_scandal