Why is anyone other than self-involved rich Americans supporting the political Right?

Quote from Hello:

Also why is it that all the provinceswith the most debt in Canada have been run overwhelmingly by liberals?

NDP has controlled Manitoba since 1999
British Columbia controlled by liberals since 1933
Ontario has had liberals in charge since 2003
Quebec hasnt had a conservative premier since 1897


Saskatchewan was run by the NDP from 1991 till 2007, when Brad Wall took over with the saskatchewan party in 2007 (which is right wing), and Saskatchewan actually pulled through the whole collapse of the economy viretually unscathed. Infact out of every province in Canada Saskatchewan had the most growth in 2010, and is projected for the most growth in 2011 as well.

The only province in Canada which runs a surplus is Alberta. Alberta also happens to be the only province which has been run solely by conservatives since 1971. To my knowledge they are also the only province with ZERO provincial sales tax.

Yep the liberals in Canada are doing a bang up job eh?

Alberta works despite conservative rule because of the oil & gas sector. That also explains how much more unethical and incompetent governments around the world manage to persist in power.

We're on the verge of a unified theory here, I think.

; )
 
That theory would be fine and dandy in my opinion, if Saskatchewan which is right next door didnt have just as many natural resources, and if Saskatchewan wasnt a steaming pile of shit which is in debt up to its eyeballs, due to anti-business policies enacted by liberal governance.

The conservatives have run Alberta for 40 years its pretty safe to say that it is fair to give them the blame/credit for whatever happens to their citizens.

The other thing Alberta did a couple years ago, when they were running a large surplus was cut a cheque to each person who lived there, as opposed to using the opportunity to expand government.

Quote from Ricter:

Alberta works despite conservative rule because of the oil & gas sector. That also explains how much more unethical and incompetent governments around the world manage to persist in power.

We're on the verge of a unified theory here, I think.

; )
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

Bush left Obama a smoldering bag of exploding crap. Liberal Chretien left Conservative Harper a budget surplus. Harper then took that budget surplus and promptly turned it into a bag of crap. Are we even on the same page?

Yeah i understand what you are saying, basically you are saying that Obama gets a free pass for the economy in the states, but that it was infact the conservatives in Canada who also managed to somehow create a credit/housing bubble, when they only had MINORITY control for 2 years before the bottom fell out of the economy, it is a glaringly obvious double standard.

Im curious what legislation you think the conservative party in Canada managed to pass in the 2 years they ran the country which was able to completely ruin the economy in canada and also caused a gigantic credit bubble. Im also curious how you believe they were able to enact this legislation given the fact that Harper always had a minority government which means he required support from the left in order to get anything done.

The bottom line is that there is no way right now for Harper and the conservative to cut the government, the left would simply block it and call an election, the rules for how minority governments work in Canada basically make a minority government useless.
 
Quote from Hello:

Yeah i understand what you are saying, basically you are saying that Obama gets a free pass for the economy in the states, but that it was infact the conservatives in Canada who also managed to somehow create a credit/housing bubble, when they only had MINORITY control for 2 years before the bottom fell out of the economy, it is a glaringly obvious double standard.

Im curious what legislation you think the conservative party in Canada managed to pass in the 2 years they ran the country which was able to completely ruin the economy in canada and also caused a gigantic credit bubble. Im also curious how you believe they were able to enact this legislation given the fact that Harper always had a minority government which means he required support from the left in order to get anything done.
Let us set aside your apparently missing the starkly different baggage each of the two countries' leaders accepted at the time of their respective arrivals. So are you saying that, since 2006 when he took office, Harper's leadership had no measurable impact on Canada?
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

... Harper's leadership had no measurable impact on Canada?
You're actually discussing, dare I say it, Canadian politics?

Are you feeling OK? Can I get you an aspirin?
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

Let us set aside your apparently missing the starkly different baggage each of the two countries' leaders accepted at the time of their respective arrivals. So are you saying that, since 2006 when he took office, Harper's leadership had no measurable impact on Canada?

Im saying that the way minority governments work in Canada is basically useless, due to the ability of the parties who arent in power to simply call for an election if the party in power doesnt appease all of the other parties.
 
Quote from Hello:

That theory would be fine and dandy in my opinion, if Saskatchewan which is right next door didnt have just as many natural resources, and if Saskatchewan wasnt a steaming pile of shit which is in debt up to its eyeballs, due to anti-business policies enacted by liberal governance.

The conservatives have run Alberta for 40 years its pretty safe to say that it is fair to give them the blame/credit for whatever happens to their citizens.

The other thing Alberta did a couple years ago, when they were running a large surplus was cut a cheque to each person who lived there, as opposed to using the opportunity to expand government.

Well, if you're going to bring in SK (you overstate their debt trouble, it's improving), then we have to bring in another variable, the environment. You can still eat the fish you take out of northern SK lakes. So, I concede your point on the economy, and hope you'll concede mine that pro-business is typically not pro environment.
 
It is redundant to state that anybody supporting any political party is self involved.

But, go ahead and argue away...its kinda funny.
 
I never would have argued the environmental impact to begin with, so yes i will gladly concede the point that there is a large environmental impact in running a stronger economy, and it is particularly large when considering what the Alberta Oil sands are doing. Saskatchewan's northern lakes are clean, due to the fact that most of them are used by very few people, and the areas around them generally arent used for business interests either, however you still would not want to eat a fish which was caught out of the north or south saskatchewan river.

I used to fish in the northern lakes in Saskatchewan every single summer, so i am familiar with it, i used to go to Missinippe(look that one up on the map), which is an hour north of LaRonge, or basically as far north as the road takes you. Nothing is more beautiful then the Northern Canadian Shield in the summer time. I love doing shore lunch and cooking up some fresh walleye on an island on one of those northern lakes in the summer.

And yes Saskatchewans debt is improving, and that also happens to perfectly coincide with when a conservative took over in Saskatchewan.

Quote from Ricter:

Well, if you're going to bring in SK (you overstate their debt trouble, it's improving), then we have to bring in another variable, the environment. You can still eat the fish you take out of northern SK lakes. So, I concede your point on the economy, and hope you'll concede mine that pro-business is typically not pro environment.
 
Quote from Gabfly1:

This question has often puzzled me. And so, I was amused...

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Fair question Gab

Many reasons;
chiefly
[a]Judeo Christian foundation. No building lasts long without a good foundation.

''Socialism is an attempt to make history without God'' Dietrich Bonhoffer wrote; of course the national socialists[''NAZI'' killed him

[c]Capitalists if consistant would all support the right;
its not so much right & left,
its right & wrong. Nice right trend last US elections[lawgivers, gov, impeached some judges.......]

Thanks,
murray TT
 
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